Got to it before I could.
Pile on Joe Biden Day! Everyone call the vice-president your favorite slur!
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I am an ardent liberal and a male. I have always respected the Vice President. However, I cannot argue with the point of this article. Men have to walk the walk.
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I feel so bad for Biden. He would seriously have been one of the best qualified and most-loved presidents ever, if he hadnât had the bad timing of history putting Obama and Hillary out there at the same time. If Biden had been elected in 2008, he could have pushed through policies more liberal than Obama has, and since the right-wing nuts wouldnât have had the racial issue to play on, there would have been no âTea Partyâ to rise up against it. The same people who are willing to believe Obama is a secret Muslim socialist would have loved âjust folksâ Joe, and weâd likely have had a public option in the ACA, would probably already have dealt with immigration reform and people would be saying Joe was the best president ever.
And now that Hillary is going to run in 2016, we get articles like this. In spite of the fact that Biden is also more liberal than Hillary, we have to start somehow painting him as out of touch, to make sure he wonât challenge her.
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It has NOTHING to do with policy and everything to do with the fact that many liberals, myself included, are well tired of the incessant PC harangues from our liberal comrades,
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Of course men have to walk the walk. Of course. So talk to me like Iâm dense (and maybe I am!) - please tell me exactly what Joe Biden did that was lecherous and sexist.
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Creepy Lecherous Sexist Uncle Joe BidenâŚand thatâs the view from the home team. 
Maybe we could get Erick Ericksonâs take on the Vice-President for âbalanceâ.
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I see charm, genuine warmth, and an old-fashioned way of interacting with women that probably should be adjusted. A couple of the things he said, and his physical interactions with a couple of women, made me squirm a bit, thinking âHey, Joe, you probably shouldnât say/do thatâŚâ
I do think he, and men of his generation and his policy stances, deserve if not a full pass then at least some latitude. In terms of âwalking the walkâ Joe has done more for national womenâs rights and equality than any of us commenters. Contrast with a perfectly formal and personal-space-respecting Republican, who later in the day votes to require women to pay for their own rape kits.
I think we can love Unca Joe while still admitting that he has some flaws, as do we all.
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Josh: This is a serious question. Do you want TPM to be taken seriously as a source for news about politics, or do you want to be a site where an article can include the term âgaffe-pornâ in itâs opening sentence? Because you just canât try to be both. Either you are serious, or youâre trying to be the Daily Show. Please make up your mind and let your readers clearly know the answer, so we can decide if we want to invest any further effort in trying to offer constructive criticism, or if you just no longer want to run the kind of site we thought TPM was.
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It has nothing to do with Bidenâs policies and everything to do with the fact that many liberals, myself included, are well tired of the incessant PC harangues from our liberal comrades.
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Donât forget the transvaginal probes.
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What exact âwalkâ isnât Biden walking? I didnât see Biden slapping women on the ass and calling them âsweetheartâ. But, apparently, he did have the nerve to call an old woman prettyâŚthe cad!
As to the point of this article, I couldnât find it. This article seemed riddled with cheap shots at the VP and to be dealing in nothing more than media-created narratives of Biden being âcrazyâ or âcreepyâ. If he were acting the way this author feels he should act then he would be getting accused of being an automaton â which is what the media accuses Obama of being. Basically, Biden canât win for losing.
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Canât be. The Editor Himself is opposed to assholery.
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You get paid to write this shit?
Well, you made me click it, so mission accomplished I guess.
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I agreeâŚthis idea that our leaders should be paragons of ideal American virtue is just silly. I am more inclined to respect a gaffe-prone John Everyman whose heart is in the right place, over a stilted two-faced android.
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Having once been both 20 and 26, I can understand how coming to grips with the fact that public figures are human beings, imperfect and must be thus taken whole, with due regard to both their faults and their accomplishments, is disconcerting and distressing. Been there and done that. Wasnât really until I got to 29 that I managed to realize that everyone has to be measured on a net-good to harm basis.
LBJ dropped a lot of N-Bombs. George Wallace hardly ever did. Yeah, LBJ gets the pass.
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Yeah. This piece â with which, as a woman and a proud feminist, I disagree â is one thing; but the editorial squib making it sound like an unquestionably accurate characterization is really beyond the pale. I clicked through sure Iâd be reading about some clear cases of actual sexual harassment that Iâd somehow missed, but (sorry, Alana) there was none of that. And I feel the same way when I picture specific Republicans doing the same things. (Not to say that I donât recoil at some of those images, but thatâs a function of the specific Republicans I happened to picture.) Though Iâd also say that Bidenâs forays into Uncle Joe-ness may be easiest to take mostly because heâs that rare person, especially in politics, who seems to harbor absolutely no ill will. Obviously a subjective and individual standard like that isnât something that can be codified in some HR standard; and an essay like this could actually have been a basis for fruitful discussion of mores and perceptions. But this particular essay isnât it. And the no-room-for-debate editorâs note is just, to me, indefensible.
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Way out of line.
Lecherous?
Is that an objective statement of fact or the product of a majority of two?
Is it now editorial policy to refer to the Vice President in future articles as the lecherous Joe Biden?
I think a rewrite is in order or a few words added to state exactly whose opinion that is along with some factual basis for the characterization.
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Hereâs my answer: Iâm not interested in being put on the spot because someone doesnât like an article. And thereâs just no need for me to âdefendâ or justify TPM as a âseriousâ publication. Reading an article you donât like doesnât mean itâs the end of TPM. Iâve been at this for a while. It doesnât.
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Joe is not âcreepyâ, that is just silly. He is a loose cannon though. Heâs a great guy with a good heart and sound policies, but some stuff he says is just not mature and in some cases off the wall (like shooting off a shotgun in your backyard). I recall when President Obama had to guide him into acting grown up during the first swearing in ceremonies for staff and such, when Biden wanted to mimic John Roberts forgetting the oath. Thatâs why Obama is the President, total maturity and class.
But heâs not âcreepyâ. Dick Cheney is âcreepyâ.
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No. Youâll notice this is written in our opinion section. So is it an âobjectiveâ statement? Are you familiar with what opinion section means? Exactly whose opinion? I would say itâs the opinion of the author since itâs written in the opinion section.