Discussion: Why Airlines Didn't Avoid Risky Ukraine Airspace

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Rerouting planes around war zones costs airlines money, as the planes burn more expensive jet fuel.

How much does having your 777 blown up with 298 dead, cost?

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I bet it’s about money.

Oh, look, it’s about money.

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let’s see, an extra 25 dollars on your ticket, or a horrible death. Hmmmm, tough call.

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Not enough, apparently.

Their insurance will handle the lawsuits. Their (and everyone else’s) premiums will go up, and YOU and I will pay for it.

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American “Christians” kneel at the throne of the amoral corporation.

And Jesus never stopped throwing up.

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Rerouting planes around war zones costs airlines money
You could have ended the entire article right there.

The market decided what was best you commie!

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The article offers increased flight time and cost as if these are reasonable concerns. Here’s where journalists should do a little math. Just how much extra distance would a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur take if it were (a) to avoid Eastern Ukraine, or (b) to avoid Ukraine altogether. My guess is that it wouldn’t be very much. It took me about 30 seconds and access to Google to find a web site that calculates great circle distance between any pair of airports on the planet.

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To excuse the Malaysian Airlines by saying that airlines avoiding ALL of the world’s hot spots would be too expensive is ignoring the facts on the ground.

What was suggested by some was that airlines avoid a hot spot populated by rebels who’ve already shot down airplanes with ground-to-air missiles supplied by one of the world’s major military powers that borders rebel territory. Not only that, but the rebels have openly bragged about their capability to shoot planes out of the sky.

Relatively few of the world’s hot spots have combatants that fit in that category.

I know one thing: if I had to fly anywhere in the world, I’m not doing it on Malaysian Airlines.

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The only thing I’m less likely to do that fly Malaysian Airlines, would be buy stock in Malaysian Airlines.

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Even though it was a poor choice, my frustrations are still focused on the fact there is dangerous airspace in the first place. How about we not blow each other up?

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I’m guessing the bean counting executives that make the decision to go ahead and fly over war zones because its too costly not to, know they will not be passengers on those flights.

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Let’s not forget that it was John McCain and his sidekick Lindsey Graham that wanted to give Syrian rebels MANPADS missiles to shoot down Syrian military jets. Cooler heads fortunately prevailed.

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People!!! This is sooo’ obviously a false flag operation run straight out of the White House. Roosh’ Limpballz’ and the other assorted Rightie Fruitloops are sure of it! Obama did it to distract us from the invading hoards of “brown” children and …oh oh oh…of course…BENGHAZZARAAAAAAAA! …and now BORDERGHAZIIIIIIIIIII!

IN-PEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEACH! (っ-●益●)っ

Alex Jones and FOX Spews are on it!!!

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Hmmm…wonder how FUX News and the Rightie Wingnuttery will play this: “Obama let Putin win again. Why? Because we all know there was some high grade drugs coming out of Amsterdam for Obama and Reggie to celebrate the Benghazi anniversary ____and Putin shoots down the plane. Now that’s the sign of a real leader taking care of the American people and keeping the dope out.”

Don’t laugh. Gawwd’ as I reread that, it could actually be their take.

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What is odd is that Russia had hours before closed the air route the 777 was planning to take over Russia, according to the NYT. But they went straight on … Anyone know why?

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It may be just some increased ticket prices on some flights, or a little extra inconvenience, but for other more marginal routes there may be real problems. My daughter periodically has to travel to cities in the former soviet republics in central asia as part of her work. Now she will either have to find another way there or give up going,.The loss of connections for these countries, such as Georgia, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan will hamper their economic growth, and increase their isolation, which is never good in that part of the world.

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Unfortunately, this shines more unwelcome light onto Malaysian Airlines’ management policies. We can only hope that public outcry can overwhelm the company’s ability to silence discussion as they did with their previous incident.

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Who consciously considers saving pennies vs. war zone risks, the life or profit officer (LPEO)? And how much do you have to save after just one miscalculation/risk like this to get back in the red?
At this rate they will have to fly right through the middle of the zone to break even.

It’s time to send in the drones to do reconnaissance and see where and hopefully, who are firing.

P.S., spelled reconnaissance right on the first try without checking and surprised myself : )

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False comparison.