Discussion: White House: Trump ‘Certainly Believes He Has The Power’ To Fire Mueller

McConnell is wrong. Failing to protect Mueller and failing to impeach Trump will be the most consequential act of his career.

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trump doesn’t have the balls.

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No he doesn’t

Thank you for that. He absolutely does not - he is a coward.

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He has backup from the other two Triumvirate members (Ryan n McConnell).

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Believe what you want, you narcissistic criminal infant.

“Certainly he believes he has the power to do so,”¡ she said, after deflecting questions about whether the Mueller-directed raid of Trump’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen’s house, hotel and office was actually an “attack on this country,” as Trump said it was.

“I think the President has been clear that he thinks that this has gone too far,” she said.

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“A summer snow day”

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Can Mueller directly oppose his firing and file the motion in Federal court contesting it? Or is he required to get a legal advocate in some statutory chain of command to sign off on contesting it? And if so would that authority be someone in the position to choose not to move forward with contesting the dismissal? Someone in the DOJ say? Is it even Mueller’s option to contest or not to contest? What if he didn’t, could or would someone else in his stead file the motion, to protect the sanctity of his appointment and prevent conceding the right of Trump to fire him?

Sanders has been saying this very same thing for months and months. This is really nothing new. It’s the position the WH has held since the Special Counsel was appointed. Their spin all along had been that PP can fire Mueller whenever he so chooses, but chooses not to because he has nothing to hide.

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"he thinks that this has gone too far,”

he fears this has gotten too close

FIFY, Twochins McGlower

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She has her position because she is really good at lying with a straight face (remember poor Sean Spicer and how he would wince every time?)

Probably because of her upbringing in a family of grifters and liars.

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I’m not sure who it would fall on to contest the firing. Anything has to go through the DOJ, so I suspect Rosenstein would be involved and possibly the person to bring a complaint. But I’m not sure. I just know that the terms of his employment by the DOJ state that he can only be fired for good cause.

Comey wasn’t difficult to fire - the President can fire the head of the FBI. But Mueller is a Special Prosecutor and serves under different rules and terms.

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You don’t need balls if you’re too stupid to recognize the danger.

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He will use the “Andrew Jackson Defense”.

In the famous “Worcester v. Georgia” case in 1832, the SCOTUS Chief Justice John Marshall ordered the state of Georgia to vacate a conviction for trespass on Indian land and Jackson, famous for his Racist attitude to all Indians refused. He is said to have stated; “John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it!”
This derives from Jackson’s comments on the case in a letter to John Coffee, “…the decision of the Supreme Court has fell still born, and they find that they cannot coerce Georgia to yield to its mandate”.
The opinion is most famous for its dicta, which laid out the relationship between tribes and the state and federal governments, stating that the federal government was the sole authority to deal with Indian nations. It is considered to have built the foundations of the doctrine of tribal sovereignty in the United States, which Jackson abhorred as he considered all Native Americans to be below the status of slaves.
The Court did not ask federal marshals to carry out the decision, as had become standard. Worcester thus imposed no obligations on Jackson; there was nothing for him to enforce. This may be seen as a prudential decision, for avoiding the possibility of political conflict between the Court and the Executive, while still delivering what appeared to be a pro-Indian decision. However, the ruling did order that Worcester be freed, and Georgia complied after several months
Because Jackson proceeded with Cherokee removal, Worcester did not aid indigenous rights at the time. Forced migration of Indians via the Trail of Tears was one result.

Worcester v. Georgia

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Yes.

No. He can do it himself.

PP can’t just fire Mueller. He has to first fire Sessions and/or Rosenstein. There are only certain circumstances where the president can appoint an acting AG without going through Congress. The person has to have resigned, died, or become ill. Otherwise he’d need Senate confirmation. Mueller, after being fired without cause, could petition a court to undo his termination on the grounds that the appointment of the AG/DAG is unconstitutional because the office of AG/DAG wasn’t vacated by illness, resignation, or death therefore the appointment is invalid.

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So only Rosenstein can fire Mueller?
Technically correct, and only upon finding “misconduct, dereliction of duty, incapacity, conflict of interest" or "other good cause.” Rosenstein has said, as recently as Dec. 13, that he sees no such reason to dismiss Mueller. Hypothetically, Trump could order Rosenstein to fire Mueller, then fire Rosenstein if he refuses, then repeat the order to the official who steps in for Rosenstein.

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It’s still somewhat astonishing that after all this time, Trump still doesn’t get it. He thinks he’s “in charge” of the entire Executive Branch, the CEO, the Chairman of the Board. He thinks he can demand loyalty from every employee, that every employee is obligated to do whatever he tells them to do, and that every employee serves at his pleasure. Amazing and appalling, all at once.

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He also thinks every personal affront to him is therefore an affront to the United States. Anyone crossing him, in his mind, has crossed all 325 million people living here.

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A bill was introduced to allow Mueller to challenge his firing, but it hasn’t been voted on (and probably never will be).

This seems like an odd bill to introduce if Mueller already has the option to challenge. At the very least, there’s obviously a legal question that hasn’t been answered, and I sure as hell don’t expect the majority of the SC to rule on it in an unbiased manner.

Having said that, although Mueller’s investigation is clearly the biggest threat to DT, it obviously isn’t the only one as of yesterday.

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firing mueller maybe all that trump has left b/c page, sater and manafort can do more damage then trump can clear himself of. Add to this the indictment of his inner circle and the guys trapped and could use the firing of mueller to buy time to develop a defense…

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I’m not so sure about that. Mueller’s investigation, if he sticks to the Russian campaign meddling, is certainly a threat to Trump. But given Trump’s business background, the bigger threat may turn out to be the things that get spun off to the U.S. Attorney’s office and to the NY Attorney General. It’s pretty clear that the Trump Organization is, and has always been, awash in bank fraud, wire fraud, money laundering, cheating investors, defrauding customers, etc., etc. It’s a house of cards built on an endless parade of lies and shady dealing.

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