Discussion: White House Fires Warning Shot At Republicans On Social Security

My situation is almost exactly the same as yours. Including the bone deformities – I have a collagenopathy – and I worked until my late thirties, including making a bunch of dotcom money upon which I paid the highest marginal rates and wrote six-figure checks to the IRS. Now, fifteen years later, SSDI is my only income and it is very small, actually below the federal poverty line.

And I agree that the the Dems should hold the line on this. Although I’m not sure what you’re advocating – I’m willing to risk some temporary disability cuts if Congress refuses to rescind the rule change that disallowed the reallocation to the disability fund. The issue here is that the reallocation isn’t a matter of federal law, just internal to Congress’s budgeting process. Obama has no direct influence other than vetoing the reconciled funding bill that will come out of Congress, thus triggering a shutdown. He won’t do that over this issue and he shouldn’t do that over this issue. He will and should veto a bill that makes the changes required to Social Security that the rule change requires for the reallocation, because those changes, from a GOP Congress, will be a reduction in all Social Security benefits in order to make it revenue neutral and the rule change requires. The rule change, per that GOP statement, is a lever with which they intend overall SS reform. They don’t actually want SSDI benefit cuts. The want the rule’s requirements met by Social Security reform.

Obama should resist that reform, of course. The only way he can do that is threaten to veto, and to veto if necessary. And that’s fine. He won’t veto a bill that doesn’t reform Social Security, but that will mean that the rule change prevents the reallocation. And that will also be fine, even though it will mean a (temporary) reduction in benefit cuts to people like you and me.

I say that’s fine because the bottom line here is that the GOP wants to somehow or other reduce social security benefits to everyone over the long-term. That absolutely should be opposed, at any cost. If the cost is a short-term reduction in SSDI benefits and a political confrontation that results from it, that’s acceptable because … that’s a battle the GOP will absolutely lose. When the news start showing people in wheelchairs who can’t pay their rent because Congress’s prevention of the reallocation has meant their benefits were cut, it will be a disaster for the GOP. But, also, it won’t come to that because they’re aware of it. And, furthermore, if this does happen, the funding for SSDI will likely run out just during the heat of the 2016 Presidential election.

In other words, the only way the Dems and Obama can lose on this issue is by succumbing to the GOP’s bluff and accepting the rule change’s required reforms to Social Security. The GOP is attempting to hold people like us hostage for Social Security reform, and they won’t actually be willing to shoot us. They’ll back down.

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Exactly. How about a bill to reallocate funds taken from the SS which btw are the people’s money and not the government’s money in the first place. Or were the people’s money at the time.

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Caring for our citizens who are disabled is NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR ITSELF, you fucking disgusting conservatives.

You are right - BEING DISABLED IS NOT PROFITABLE. It’s not even a break-even proposition.
Taking care of the disabled is a COST, and it’s supposed to be a cost.

It’s the cost of decency. The cost of being civilized. The cost of morality.
But it’s only a financial cost. I realize you republicans think that’s the only kind of cost there is… but it isn’t.

Your larcenous minds cannot comprehend the cost to our nation if we are NOT willing to spend what it takes to support of those who CANNOT generate profit for a corporation, which seems to be your only measure of worth of a person.

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I’d say that really they want them to go away into their 1%ers pockets via privitazation etc.

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Amen Jafafa

The GOP will do anything to destroy SS. It has been this way since FDR. Only a fool would follow any GOP advice on this issue. And on Medicare too.

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Of course. Wonder how many seniors realized what a bullet they dodged had the SS been privatized into a Wall Street fund in the 2007-2008 time frame when the market imploded?

Young investors are of course going to recoup those losses longer-term (if they haven’t already) but an 80 year old may not live long enough to be able to live off a fund that lost over half its value in the near-term.

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TPM Headline: White House Fires Warning Shot At Republicans On Social Security

President Obama, thank you.

Because the bipartisan panel worked so well the last time…

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Is that even legal? I know states have a lot of discretion over how Medicaid funds are disbursed, but much of the funds for it are federal. One would think the feds would have an objection to lifetime caps for Medicaid eligibility.

I think the AZ legislature is stuck with adding an additional funding of 300 million for education - court ordered if I remember correctly. Same thing here in NC.

I thought there was something fishy about “baited breath”.
Then again, maybe s/he is a Pisces.

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Yes George_C, stick it to the middle class one more time. They don’t really “need” the retirement benefits they earned. So make them pay more for everything. That will be the “grand bargain”; save Social Security for the poor who really “need” it, and screw the middle class who paid for it.

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Didn’t Ralph Nader explain this? Or was he just rationalizing why it was ok to let Republicans destroy the country because it was more important that he lose with more than 15% of the vote, so his party could get matching funds next time. If there was a next time.

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Ahem, ahem, It’s bated, not baited breath. Otherwise, I agree.

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Our new governor is throwing an epic sized hissy fit about the court ordered money the state must pay public education. He’s twisting every way he can to get out of it. Up to and including ignoring the court. his new budget completely ignores the court order. The Judge ain’t amused. The actual amount is $380 million btw. And that money is not in the budget at all. I’ve looked and so have many others more qualified than I am in state budget matters. The long 'n short is Doug Ducey (the new AZ governor) has spent his political capitol and he’s 3 months into his 4 yr term

Az voters are easy to hornswaggle. Every decade or so they elect some business man who says he’ll run the state like he ran his businesses… forgetting that business and politics are different animals. In my near 50 years in Arizona I’ve seen this play out three times so far. Jack Williams, Evan Mecham, and Fife Symington all used the same goddam mantra. Two out of the 3 ended up in jail.

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I don’t think a lifetime cap is legal. Yet the new governor is capping a few other programs meant to help the poor. He’s showing himself to be truly heartless. One program is called TANF Temorary Assistance to Needy Families. Most states have a limit of 5 years. This year AZ cuts theirs to one year. A single year of assistance to a needy family. I guess the powers that be assume one can become wealthy in just a year esp. if you are a single mom with one or two children.

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What the hell does “the president would welcome a conversation about Social Security” (with the republicans) mean? Anything these shits have to offer on the subject is to diminish if not to totally destroy it. After six years of dealing with these people, is Obama still naïve enough to believe they have anything constructive to offer?

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Yep, it’s all been done before, and the oligarchs lost.

But, but, my cats like cheese.