Discussion: White House Calls Mueller Report 'Total And Complete Exoneration' Of Trump

Russia, if you’re listening, please blow up Twitter. And FUX News… I can’t bear the thought of non-stop gloating.

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No Sarah. That’s not what it said. Specifically, it did not “exonerate “ him. Now go pray to Jesus.

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Why of course it is!

EVERYBODY DRINK!!!

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Quite a change of tone from “witch hunt” and “everyone, including the dirty agents, is out to get me”

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" White House Calls Mueller Report ‘Total And Complete Exoneration’ Of Trump "

Just the opposite.They tried to fix the race,but to many people are watching.

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Mueller: We are not exonerating him. The President might have committed a crime in obstructing justice

White House: The President is totally exonerated!

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Can’t wait for Barr’s walkback.

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The congressional committees have their hands full with actual investigations to probe. HRC &/or POTUS Obama aren’t going to be among them.

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Insufficient evidence to convict does not equal innocence. As Big Jule said in Guys and Dolls: “Well, I used to be bad when I was a kid, but ever since then I’ve gone straight, as has been proved by my record: Thirty-three arrests and no convictions!” Big Donnie can say the same, for now!

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So where’s all those people who were saying Mueller wasn’t going to let this type of white wash happen? What is his master plan to right justice.

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I haven’t gone back over it but it looks like he wrote a lawyerly letter that was factually accurate up to a point and seriously misleading in a way that they knew could be spun outrageously as usual by Sanders et al. as a total vindication. He said explicitly that Trump was not exonerated by Mueller on the obstruction; Sanders said OK over to you Bill and said he was exonerated of everything more or less in the end. Mueller said they couldn’t “establish” the conspiracy; Sanders said they “found no collusion.” Barr kept his skirts tidy and lets the political side play out as he knew it would.

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His Orange Insufferableness is going to be particularly insufferable now.

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Oh, for a semen-stained blue dress right now…

Why did Mueller punt?

Another failing grade in reading comprehension

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In the obstruction section, you have this sentence:

In cataloguing the President’s actions, many of which took place in public view, the report identifies no actions that, in our judgment, constitute obstructive conduct, had a nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding, and were done with corrupt intent, each of which, under the Department’s principles of federal prosecution guiding charging decisions, would need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to establish an obstruction-of-justice offense.

Not exonerated, but not charged either. Really have to wonder about Mueller’s thinking, but it should come out eventually.

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Well, seems clear enough—they had three conditions they needed to be able to demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt for any given action, so they had a high burden of proof and felt they couldn’t meet it. What seems intuitive and obvious to us might have well seemed that way to them too, but professionally they were working with a different set of standards. Journalists face this all the time—you may know perfectly well somebody’s dirty, but if you can’t prove it you can’t write it. It’s frustrating but those are the rules of that particular game. : (

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Well, ‘no collusion’ is not the same as ‘no help from Russia’ nor ‘No manipulation of the electorate’.

I still think the most plausible theory is, that the Russian engagement wasn’t as much pro-Trump as anti-Clinton, since Putin bore a personal grudge against Sec Clinton, over sanctions against him and his henchmen.

An interesting question is: How much knew the Russians about the Mercer funded “SDL/Cambridge Analytica” operation? Did they have a mole there ? Did they just amplify the manipulation already ongoing, adding some leverage from the Internet Research Agency. I hope this will be revealed in due course,

The Guardian:

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Let’s also assume his four-page summary of the special counsel’s investigation is the very best case he can make on behalf of the man who just hired him.

That case would sink any other leader in any other western country. Any previous president of the United States would need to start lawyering up for impeachment.

According once again to Trump’s own attorney general, making his best possible case for his boss, Mueller declined not to make “a traditional prosecutorial judgment” about whether Trump committed a crime. So Barr made it for him. Strip away all the legal throat-clearing, and he decides the case is “not sufficient”.

Quoting Mueller, Barr writes: “While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/24/mueller-report-trump-collusion-corruption-congress-democrats
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“Case not proven” on two counts sounds like the end of a long Democratic dream.

It’s actually a blessing.

For starters, Mueller’s considerations were narrowly drawn and judged but the issues he has surfaced – and the investigations he has spawned – are far broader.

In particular, US and state attorneys in New York are peeling away the layers of the stinking onion that is the Trump family business. Those layers include hush money to a porn star, fraudulent statements to lenders and insurers about real estate, a sham family foundation and corruption involving foreign donations to an inaugural committee.

In short, a president who may or may not be guilty of obstruction of justice doesn’t suddenly grow a halo of legal purity while running for president. And he doesn’t clean up his act in office, either.

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Another reason a) we have to see the report and b) the House team needs to pick up the ball here. They’re working a much different game—all they have to do is show troubling, dubious facts. It’s not a question of reasonable doubt and prosecutorial standards. It’s a question of WTF was going on, why was a Trump Tower server talking to an Alfa Bank server, how did the Russians know which districts to target with extra social media attention to get out just the votes they needed in the right places and all that fun stuff.

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