It was a great way to get insurance and a lousy way to actually be able to go to the doctor."
Did this guy get his media training from Kellyanne??
Anytime I tried to get in to see a doctor, the VERY FIRST question was: “do you have health insurance?” If the answer was “no”, then there would be no doctor visit. Insurance is your ticket in the door, whether or not it will pay for the visit. Doofus has apparently been on the govm’t plan far too long.
…and while I’m venting… The doctor visit is usually the most predictable and least expensive of health care costs. If you need hospital care - what happens if the doctor you just saw actually found something - the costs multiply exponentially and the predictability becomes non-existent.
One can only wonder if the Trump voters, i.e. the so-called “forgotten,” have asked themselves what the Trump administration has done so far to advance their interests. By my calculation, they are “more forgotten,” much worse off, with more hardship to come.
It’s simple. People will go to the doctor, pay full price out of their pocket, and then every April they’ll get some of that money back in their tax return! It’s practical and makes perfect sense and will dramatically improve healthcare for all Americans!
And now I’m going to go hit myself in the head with a hammer until this healthcare plan makes sense and/or I can’t feel anymore.
These people make absolutely NO sense! They say their end goal is not how many people have insurance, but rather making it easier for people to see a doctor. How the hell can anybody afford to see a doctor if they don’t have insurance? Will the low-information Trump voters get this???
so, he is advocating for single payer universal health care then, and not health insurance? Cause that is the only fing way Americans are going to be able to see a doctor without insurance~~~~~
Not quite. With Ryan, who’s been driving this, this is a quasi-religious thing, a belief in the free market fairy. His ultimate goal is getting rid of all government “interference” in the health market - killing the ACA, Medicare, and Medicaid, getting rid of employer-provided insurance, and getting rid of most regulations. The idea here is that purchasing health insurance becomes something akin to purchasing a new television.
So the consumer shops for insurance on the open market, picking the policy that suits them best, that has the right range of benefits for the right cost, that includes the providers they care about. And this careful shopping rewards those health insurance and health care providers that are the most efficient and the most cost-effective, which will give providers the incentive to bring down costs and improve efficiency, which will then result in a virtuous cycle where everyone wins.
For some products, this approach even makes sense. Most of us, when shopping for a television, look for online reviews, look for the model that has the features we want, and look for the best price. The trouble is that none of this works in the health care market. People pick the health care providers that are close and convenient, they pick their “family doctor,” not the provider in the next county who is 5% cheaper. And, of course, that assumes that you have accurate information about everything, which none of us do when it comes to health care costs and outcomes. Not to mention that when I had appendicitis a few years ago, comparison shopping was the last thing on my mind.
It doesn’t work and we have had ample evidence of this over the years. But, like all Randians, Ryan’s view really is quasi-religious. The free market always works. And if it doesn’t, then clearly it wasn’t truly a “free market” and we have to keep doubling down.
The greatest thing about that joke, besides the fact that it made me laugh my ass off, is that there is not a single Trump voter in the world who would get it.
It remains stunning how meaningless words are, to the GOPlutocrats. But even so, taking the words at face value, which necessitates disregarding that the bill does none of what they say, still, still: They are (or, in a more sensible polity, should be, at least) right that it is not about access to insurance, it is about access to health care (or, rather, health itself). Insurance is the means, not the end (remind them of that, when the schlock insurance across state lines meme recurs). But two thoughts arise: Concentrating on health itself, means the government is one way or the other dealing with, and judging outcomes of, healthcare, and from that the ‘risk’ of, gasp, socialized medicine rears its much-feared head; so expect a walk-back on this line of discussion, sooner than later. And, thought number two, the ‘see the doctor for less cost’ focus, and its obvious next questions, might even bring the AMA off the sidelines and into the fray – given that opposition to any and all health reform is so natural for them, maybe they can now just recycle their earlier doomsday scenarios, to cripple this one, too?
Un-F***ing believable! The goal here is not insurance! The apparent goal here is to kill US citizen. Where do these evil people come from. Ok voting idiots. You keep electing these people and they will eventually have to chained to a workstation with only bread and water as payment. Sad evil times we live in.
