Discussion for article #232812
Today vaccination, tomorrow fluoridation, then Pasteurization! O Brave New World that has such craven politicos in it!
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I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination,
Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify
all of our precious bodily fluids.
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“As a gubernatorial candidate in 2009, Christie vocally supported parents who believed in the fringe theory that vaccines caused their children’s autism.”
Since this article is all about science, can TPM please change “theory” to “belief”? This is not a theory in the scientific sense. It’s ridiculousness masquerading as science a la intelligent design and doesn’t deserve to be treated as anything remotely scientific.
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" …individual objections should stand in the way of a strict immunization policy."
Should or shouldn’t?
One’s opinion of fact is only a gauge of ignorance. The fact still remains a fact.
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I think you missated Ben Carson. You say that he says that individual objections should stand in the way of a strict immunization policy. He says we should not allow those diseases to return by foregoing safe immunization programs, for philosophical, religious, or other reasons when we have the means to eradicate them. Not that I’m fond of Ben Carson but we shouldn’t misquote.
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Actually, this is the definitive guide. This is what they meant to say.
“I have people that have been studying [the dangers of vaccination] and they cannot believe what they’re finding… I would like to have them show me proof that these vaccines were made in this country and can I be honest with you, I hope they can. Because if they can’t, if they were not made in this country, which is a real possibility…then they have pulled one of the great cons in the history of science.” – Donald Trump
“I will tell you: It’s three diseases, when I get there, that are gone: Measles, Polio and – what’s the third one there? Let’s see. … OK. So Measles, Polio and the – … The third vaccine – I would do away with - let’s see – I can’t. The third one, I can’t. Sorry. Oops." – Rick Perry.
“With all due respect, the fact is we have a hundreds of children with measles. Was it because of a trip to Disneyland or a failure to immunize our children? What difference at this point does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again.” Hillary Clinton
“I’m not a scientist, man. I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think that’s a dispute amongst theologians and I think it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States. I think the health of children has zero to do with how our economy is going to grow. I’m not a scientist. I don’t think I’m qualified to answer a question like that. At the end of the day, I think there are multiple theories out there on how diseases are transmitted and I think this is a country where people should have the opportunity to teach them all.” Marco Rubio
“I mean the fact of the matter is that I don’t believe that when you’re dealing with something as serious as this that we can count on a voluntary system. This is government’s job. If anything else, the government’s job is to protect the safety and health of our citizens. And so, we’ve taken this action and I absolutely have no second thoughts about it, unless we are talking about measles, in which case we should count on a voluntary system.” Chris Christie
"If they want to come here and they want to set up their own culture and values and not vaccinate their children, that’s not immigration, that’s really invasion if you’re honest about it. If you don’t want to be vaccinated, don’t come to America. “If we’re not careful, the same no- measles zones you’re seeing now in Europe will come to America.” – Bobby Jindal
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My favorites are the folks who say every state should determine its vaccination requirements. This is states’ rights at its most ridiculous. If they want to go that route, their residents shouldn’t be allowed to travel to states with stricter vaccination laws. This is just as ridiculous as as one state refusing to recognize marriage rites of another state. This is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and people who don’t want to live by the “united” premise, should move to another country.
All of the weaseling that these “candidates” are doing ignores the basic libertarian premise that “…your rights end where my rights begin…”. Your right not to have your child vaccinated ends where my rights to keep my children (or, in my case, grandchildren) free from potentially fatal or severely crippling diseases. Mandatory vaccinations are NOT an individual right! Keeping my child or grandchildren free of deadly or severely crippling disease IS a fundamental right.
I guess that you have to have grown up in a third world country and seen what the outbreaks of these preventable diseases can do is the BEST way to shut all these anti-vaccination morons up. When a pregnant mother comes down with measles, or mumps, or chickenpox or smallpox or polio (yes dear reader, polio is prevented with a vaccination) you learn to value the vaccination as one of the miracles of modern medicine. You haven’t lived until you’ve seen a child born with profound mental retardation or with limbs missing because vaccinations weren’t available to the mother. You haven’t lived until you’ve seen a blossoming beauty disfigured forever with the scar tissue of smallpox on her face. That is, of course, if the child survived the disease to begin with.
You don’t have the right, under ANY circumstance, to refuse to get your child vaccinated before it enters public schools or goes to a closely congregating area like Disneyland or a concert hall or a church without having had your child vaccinated. I will hold firm to my conviction that failure to vaccinate your child is child abuse and anyone who refuses to have their child vaccinated should have their parental rights terminated and the child made a ward of the State.