Discussion: What We Know About LaVoy Finicum's Shooting We Didn't Know Before

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Does TPM raid The Blaze for their reporters now?

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I view investigating unaccounted for bullet holes as the involved government agencies trying to reveal as much truth as possible as opposed to a cover-up worthy of conspiracy.

Maybe the FBI agent acted outside rules of engagement and was hoping that no one would notice.

Good law enforcement requires that all members be held accountable for their actions.

Not that this would deter someone looking for conspiracy, but those on the fence hopefully can lean towards sanity.

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It’d be nice if unarmed black boys and men could get this kind of thorough investigation into their shootings.

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I still do not see how this matters other than potential discipline. It does not change that the guy was killed for justifiable reasons. Not sure what conspiracy they are going with here at all or what the end game is other than general sort of thing.

As this in no way looks to exonerate what this guy did or that he was dangerous and was shot down after showing himself to be a threat in the end.

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Nothing I read in this article changes my understanding of what happened.

Now, if we learned that the vehicle was riddled with dozens of bullet holes and that other occupants of the vehicle had been struck, that would change the story.

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Maybe, pending everything they could have missed or thought somebody in the car had a gun aimed out too. Not saying it is ok, but it would be somewhat justified. It is still a far cry from conspiracy nuts saying that they filled the car full of bullets. If this is to be believed than there were like eight shots fired and two were in the car

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they DID confirm that he’s still dead, right?

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I mentioned this yesterday, but my theory is that, since they were members of the Hostage Rescue Team, he violated all sorts of rules and standards by firing the weapon in the direction of the vehicle where the “hostages” were.

That, or there may be something to the idea that he fired too early, in which case, shame on him, pull his badge and kick him out. Then, decide whether to prosecute him for lying about it. Arguably, there was a short time period between the vehicle stopping and Finicum getting out during which no shots were justified.

However, it can’t be stressed enough that they missed.

Here’s how this will go…

“See!!! They was trying to assassiminate him and Obama gave them the orders!!!”

“Yeah, but you believed that before anyway”

“But now I gots proof!”

“So you admit you believed it anyway, right from the get-go, without any proof?”

“Didn’t need any! It’s obvious!”

“Then why are you so excited about this new information?”

“Because now I gots proof!”

“Proof of what?”

“That Obama something something gestapo nazi hit squad argle bargle!!!”

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I don’t see how any of this lends credence to the conspiracy theories. He resisted arrest, he fled, got his truck stuck in a snow bank after almost hitting an FBI agent, he exited the truck acting erratically and repeatedly reached into his coat, all while repeatedly saying “go ahead and shoot me.” The evidence tends to show that LE officers were incredibly restrained in their response. Tamir Rice was not given nearly so many chances to survive his encounter with the cops.

The two unaccounted shots are a sideshow that don’t appear to change the fundamental facts of the case.

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I’m sorry but…horsepucky. If the FBI’s bullets were not found in the body this is still a righteous shoot. No ‘hands up, don’t shoot’, no conspiracy theories. Finicum did not have to reach for his gun. Period.

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The words ‘go ahead and shoot me’ add to the story. They show his state of mind, and provide more leeway to the justification of the immediate shots when he began reaching into his jacket. People have been shot for reaching for their wallets, but in this case it was clear that the shots were immediately required.

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I am not inclined to go on some conspiracy related rendezvous because …

I’m not having any problems with my medications —

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So it is now confirmed that he had a loaded gun exactly where he was reaching just before he was shot (I don’t know that I’d read that before) and new info indicates that, in addition to his claims of wanting to die a martyr for the cause, he told the LEOs to “go ahead and shoot me” while he was reaching for said loaded gun.

No one in the car was hurt - not even close - so I don’t think this new info changes anything. I just wish that LEOs wouldn’t feel so obligated to lie and cover up for each other because it makes a righteous shooting now look suspicious…

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Good thing 1988RANGER was given a 2-day timeout yesterday.

Or you woulda’ got both barrels and a CAPSLOCK!!1! from his keyboard Sniffy!!1!!one!!!11!

jw1

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Which is a real shame–I was hoping he’d explain which one of the rogue FBI agents was the $2000 per night hooker that offed Fat Tony. Well I guess it’ll just have to wait. Tic. Toc.

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This was a very slanted article Not what I expect from TPM. BTW, you didn’t mention that the LEO closest to LaVoy–and the one he would have shot–was armed with a TAZER. That was very surprising.

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The FBI and Sheriffs Dept have been lying. What’s news about that? Finicum apparently wanted to be killed and they obliged. That’s what’s called a “justified shooting.” This time a right wing nut. Most of the time African Americans and other minorities. All in a day’s work for the American police. And justifying it is all in a day’s work for TPM.

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The lawyer for standoff mastermind Ammon Bundy told the Oregonian that the news Tuesday changed the way he looked at the entire incident.
“I’m going to have to go back and reconsider all the money I can make off of the new conspiracy theories that I’ve created in my head,” Mike Arnold said.

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I might think this would change things except that none of the bullets that were fired by the FBI hit a person. I understand that they have to account for all shots fired - good on them for that, too. But this doesn’t affect how I see what happened. Granted I’m not that kind of conspiracy nut, but they don’t need proof anyway.

I kind of feel like this is a bunch of nothing.

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