Ill-mannered children will be ill-mannered children will be ill-mannered children.
Wait, so the Sanders supportersâ behavior was okay because they were drunk?
Thatâs the defense youâre going with?
Most people donât understand how parliamentary procedure works. So here is an explanation. A voice vote is where the chair asks people to verbally express âayeâ or ânayâ. If one or the other sounds louder then it is assumed that that side won and no headcount vote is called. However, if it sounds close then electors can demand a head count vote where people raise their hands and the âayesâ or the ânaysâ are counted. By refusing to accept a headcount vote and going just with whoever the chair felt was loudest, Lange provoked the crowd by pushing through a vote which had unclear results. This was done to favor the Clinton delegation and therefore all hell broke loose. What do you expect?
It was a vote on a preliminary delegate count (it couldnât be a final count because the deadline hadnât been reached yet), whose only purpose was to establish quorum. It was a completely meaningless vote. But of course the Sanders supporters would not know this. (Also, this whole vote being too close to decide comes from a video taken by a sanders supporter, so presumably the recording device was amongst a group of sanders supporters).
Yeah, itâs a shame Sanders supporters were not better informed (and further, some of the campaign leaders deliberately misinformed the supporters).
So youâre right. Sanders supporters are not to blame as much as the leaders in his campaign, and based on his response yesterday, Sanders himself.
We want democracy! Give us all the delegates or else!
throws chair at someone that disagrees with them
âRoberta Lange called a voice vote to make permanent temporary rules that
Sanders supporters believed were tilted to favor Clinton.â This is not debatable â the rules were crafted to flip it back to Clinton, even though Bernie had more delegates duly elected to attend. And there was no voice vote on the rules (aside from the absurd on video). Attempts to remove the chair and operate according some normal set of Robertâs Rules were blocked. Itâs not being honest to Sanders supportersâ side of the story to say this was like any other convention in terms of âtiltedâ rules. Rules are âfixedâ when a party is not credentialing people who were elected to be there, starting a half hour early while people are parking, ignoring voice votes entirely, refusing to divide the assembly, and generally refusing to be an honest broker in a process thatâs designed to resolve dispute.
Hillary won the popular vote in NV.
Sanders tried and failed to overturn the popular vote.
Now, as always, Sanders is screaming âThe system is rigged!â to cover up the fact that Democrats prefer Hillary.
Sanders didnât win the second tier as much as Hillary lost it with low turnout. Rules are rules ⌠until⌠theyâre not rules anymore. âLetâs just scrap the second tierâ
The fish rots from the head down.
So, you believe democracy works by rewarding those who can scream the loudest?
Got video of chairs being thrown? Hmm?
Sanders would rather scrap the first tier â the actual popular vote.
Of course, heâs also calling for Super Delegates to overturn the Popular Vote at the National Convention, so at least heâs consistent.
He seems to think small groups of insiders should propel him to victory. What is that? An Oligarcy?
3000 people in room all with cell phones - but no video of throwing chairs? Guess it didnât happen but people like to repeat rumors.
there is a reason why people developed decorum and rules in politics. we shouldnât scrap decorum with phony voice votes and sham rules. when the rules go out the door, shouting gets worse. always.
The rules were crafted by a committee including an equal number of Sanders and Clinton supporters.
The person who seconded the motion to pass the rules was a Sanders supporter who spoke passionately about how much effort they spent making the rules, and asking everyone to support them.
You really should go read the Medium article posted in the other set of comments by someone who was actually there. Itâs quite clear that the Sanders leaders deliberately misled their supporters (who were understandably frustrated at points, because they actually were misinformed about what was going on).
Holy shiny mackerel, Batman! What would Henry Clay say!
Why donât democrats have this much energy and passion to vote in the midterms. At least
republicans have figured out how to channel their outrage at democrats not their own
Voice votes are used all the time in parliamentary procedure, and has a history of being used in all recent Nevada primaries.
But Iâm guessing thatâs because Hillary borrowed Obamaâs time machine to go back and institute voice votes to deny Sanders, who has no chance of winning electorally anyways, 2 delegates.
what rules were these