Discussion: What Comes Next After Senate GOP Delays Obamacare Repeal Vote

Adulation at the altar applies a lot better to some folks here in re to Clinton than it does to me in re to Sanders. I don’t claim he’s perfect or demonize her. But some posters here at TPM do the reverse repeatedly. If you think it’s useful, knock yourself out. But it doesn’t help the party, or anybody else, one bit.

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If he wasn’t a leader I wouldn’t know jack shit about him.
He’s your Senator so you probably know more than you care to.

I doubt very many of the Repubs really want to go down this repeal and kill road but they too must to get to phases 2 and 3.

These pols, the insurers and the drug companies are some heartless people.
How can they weigh tens of millions of human lives against anything, it just should be a non-starter from the beginning.

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Tell it to the judge.

:neutral_face:

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Just out of curiosity, how many repeal votes is that now?
70 some I’m thinking.

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It would be bad.

Hahahaha. I’ll tell you what, Pat-- it’s not good or bad! It’s curtains.

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Heard trump say on NPR this afternoon that he was sitting next to Murkowski and as an example of how the ACA was failing claimed that Alaskans policies are going up 200% without the slightest bit of acknowledgement that our premiums will go up even higher, much higher under the Senate/house plan. I do hope that once the buffoon left the podium that she had the courage to correct him on that statement but I’m not gonna hold my breath on it.

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Here’s a question I posed to Josh, Neera Tanden, Joy Reid and Jacki Schechner (@jackischechner) on Twitter: “is this the moment Schumer/Pelosi should come out w/alt-Dem plan to FIX ACA?”

Here’s Jacki’s response: “Won’t matter. Would need #GOP votes and they won’t get them, no matter how reasonable the plan.”

But I wonder…

There can be no principle of “right to life” — as espoused by the conservative movement, the Republican Party, and the Bible — without universal health care.

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Contact her office. That kind of stuff cannot go unchecked. You are her constituent and you know what the real story is. Trump is not her constituent.

Will call again in the morning. Been reminding her and Sullivan that we out here are paying attention and know that Alaska will get hit much harder than any other state. They could have fixed many of their complaints against the ACA by now and been recognized for it but ideology trumped doing what was best for their constituents and their party.

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Entirely too safe, too late. But my Senator Rob Portman and Shelley Caputo totally sodomised the band wagon by “opposing the current draft” of the Senate Trumpcare bill. Whateves :stuck_out_tongue:

The ironic thing is, on these things, the positions of the two parties have reversed. In the 1800s it was the Republicans who were the former, and the Democrats who were the latter. What hasn’t changed is that Republicans have always represented the moneyed interests, and Democrats have represented the workers. What changed is that those groups changed what they in favor of.

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John Boehner awhile back suggested the answer which is now being put out there by oppponents of the repeal. FORGET the stupid tax cut for the GOPer’s. FIX the complaints and issues about Obamacare that have been complained about the last few years. FIX OBAMACARE name it Trumpcare and tada… You have a better healthcare bill.

I am not holding my breath. Personally I hope they pass this piece of chit bill and let the ramifications flow through the system. Many many Trump voters will be hurt by this GOP health bill and I say GOOD!!! Everyday a Trump voter dies is a great day for America.

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I’ll be interested to see where Ted Cruz ends up. If I had to choose I’d bet he ends up for it, but I can easily see him doing the devious calculations in his head:

  1. This shitburger is so incredibly unpopular that it will be a slaughter for Republicans in 2018 if it passes.

  2. He would get to show himself as bravely standing up against Mitch McConnell (which he’s already done before, and made a lot of hay out of).

  3. He would also be taking a huge dump on Trump, as revenge for the primary.

  4. He can go back to Texas and crow about how all of this would be in the name of his supposed deeply-held conservative principles where Obamacare has to be repealed completely, giving him cred against a primary challenger.

I’m not saying it’s going to happen. But it’s a definite possibility IMO.

But it was all good when idiots carrying rifles protested Obama and other Democrats. That wasn’t at all uncivilized or mean. It was all good when people posted insulting, racist cartoons of the Obamas. That wasn’t at all uncivilized or mean. It was all good when people quoted Bible verses praying for Obama’s assassination. That wasn’t at all uncivilized or mean. Republican politicians make me want to vomit repeatedly.

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They won’t get the votes but, i’m not sure if it matters or not. On the one hand Dems coming out with their own plan could detract/obscure the AHCA crap and allow the Repubs to sneak it through. On the other hand having a better alternative, one that the Repubs won’t even look at could be used to give the people something to fight for. Honestly, don’t know what’s the right play

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Maybe the second one, especially going into 2018. Worth a shot.

It has nothing to do eith fear, it has everything to dp with stupidity, greed, self interest, and power.

How dare you put fear as my motivation. Stick it.

The party has nothing but this to offer and it has people afraid.

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