Discussion: WH Hasn't Ruled Out Putin Offer That Would Target Ex-Ambassador McFaul

That Trump would even entertain the thought of allowing Russians to question Michael McFaul, who served faithfully in the State Dept and as US ambassador to Russia, is horrifying.

Bill Browder gave up his US citizenship for tax purposes and is now a British citizen. His story is interesting.

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One (of many) answers to your question:

“A GRU defector who wrote under the pen name of Victor Suvorov described the horrible execution of an unnamed colonel in one of his books, Inside the Aquarium: The Making of a Top Soviet Spy…GRU recruits were shown a film of an anonymous colonel [most likely, American asset Oleg Penkovsky] being cremated alive…

‘The fire doors open smoothly to each side, the coffin is given a gentle push and it bears its unknown occupant into the roaring flames. Then the camera gives a close-up of a living person. A face swimming in perspiration. It is probably very hot near the furnace A face is displayed from all sides of what seems an eternity. At last the camera pulls back to show the person full length. He is not in a gown. He is dressed in an expensive black suit, terribly crumpled. His tie is tightly screwed round his neck. The man himself is bound fast with steel wire to a stretcher, and the stretcher has been propped up against the wall so that the man can see the furnace…At last it is the turn of the man bound to the stretcher…I study the man’s face in the hope of finding there signs of madness. It’s easier for madmen in this world. But there are no such signs on that handsome face. It is simply that he doesn’t want to go into the furnace and is trying somehow to make that clear. But what can he do except scream? So he screams…Then his patent leather shoes go into the fire, and that is that’…”

These are the people to whom Trump has sold out America.

They are evil incarnate.

We must never, ever put Ambassador McFaul – or any other patriotic American – into their hands.

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Several Republican politicians and donors are most likely implicated in Russian spying, highly likely there is sexual Kompromat involving Mariia Butina. The Party (Republican, that is) would not like to see that released to Wikileaks.

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  • the truly sick & perverse aspect is that this could simply be a twisted “proof of concept” trial move … if Trump can pull this off - it could develop into a means by which political enemies can be disposed of - simply turn them over to a collaborating harsh/edgy foreign power with an ax to grind and a rigged criminal justice …

… so … all Trump has to do is find some nation that can cobble together a faux outrage aimed at Hillary … and Trump will turn her over in a heart beat

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Trump and the administration are akin to the LAPD asking OJ to keep looking for the real killers.
Congress, Schiff etc ought to ask the secret service to protect the ambassador and his family.

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The man was a US Ambassador. In other words, No Fucking Way.

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If I were the US translator at the Traitor/Putin meeting, I would be fearing for my life right now.

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Previous cries of treason after Trump’s Helsinki pressor may have been premature, as it was just his spoken word, arguably not an action to "give aid and comfort " to the enemy (c’mon Meuller…).

However, if Trump would try to force 2 private citizens, one a UK national now into interviews, that would be actionable treason, in my lay mind.

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After reading the replies I received I understand why that’s not a good deal by any stretch of the imagination,and honestly,I feel stupid for not realizing that on my own. My other question now would be what the hell happens if he does make that deal? Are there mechanisms in place to prevent the U.S. from handing over who the Russians want to question? Could they decline? Could they be forced, could they be arrested and then extradited to Russia? I fully believe Trump is collaborating with the Russians and believe he might go with the deal or at least run it up the flag pole what would stop him and/or allow him to go through with it?

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So, Sarah, you’ve been lying to us, again. You even lie about your own transcripts.

White House Transcript:

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I know and I should just accept that the entire GOP party at the federal level is compromised by the Kremlin.

Still every now and then I am still shocked.

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There is nothing to consider. Even “considering” it is an act of batshit crazy disloyalty to the country and an insanely dangerous gamble with these peoples’ lives. It is so utterly absurd and beyond the pale that it could mean nothing other than “this is the plan we came up with in our secret meeting for trying to thwart the Mueller investigation and my impending indictment.”

If you think Putin wouldn’t literally take hostages, then you need your fucking head examined.

And anyone who claims that the US “interferes” in Russian elections is quite simply crazy. There may be efforts to encourage or support regime change through democratic processes etc., but it’s fucking Putin who literally rigs his elections to ensure he wins every time. Engaging in this “witness swap” nonsense with Putin would constitute a declaration that the US believes Putin holds fair and open democratic elections in which he does not himself “interfere”. Thus, seeing as how the intelligence community would laugh in your face for making such a claim, it would constitute another giant slap in the intelligence community’s face.

Down with President Kompromat.

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LOL. And I’m sorry but did he just say “look at the ambassadors not there”? Ummm, they were kicked the fuck out of Russia by Putin, not pulled back by Trump, weren’t they?

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Allowing Putin and his Russian stooges to “help” with the Mueller investigation would be like asking the fox to investigate how all the chickens in the coop got killed.

This is the stupidest, most treasonous proposal ever, and only an insane moron like Trump or a certified dingbat like Sarah Hucklefuck could be so stupid as to possibly think the idea has merit.

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Yup, SHS is a liar. His longer response is look at what a tough guy I am in that incoherent Trumpspeak. Disconnected thoughts, incomplete sentences, and digressions.

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Jon Huntsman must be feeling really good right about now.

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This thread

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But, Benghazi!

Is Trump going down a frigging check list? “Let’s see, what did I accuse Hillary of that I haven’t actually done myself yet? Selling out to the financial industry? No, Mnuchin has that one covered. Not having the gasp wheeze stamina for the job? Nope. Um, betraying a United States Ambassador? Hey, wait… I got this.”

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Not me. When you really really think about it…going back to the election campaign and November of 2008 when this all really started building and snowballing…this entire white Christian nationalist freakout in which they’ve thrown the social contract out the window and declared “no holds barred” in trying to maintain or re-establish white Christian hegemony in the country…it all sort makes a perfect, puzzle-fitting-together sense. Creating a largely white uber-rich oligarchy to establish minority rule over the country through the plutocracy of campaign finance bribery has long been their go-to for trying to maintain white rule and thwart the Civil Rights Era. It’s what the “trickle down” lie was invented to accomplish. Russia and Putin wrote the fucking textbook on creating that kind of “managed democracy” sham…and a “For Dummies” version for people like Trump…and it’s precisely what the GOP is attempting to turn the country into so they can forever maintain minority rule despite the demographic shifts that present the existential problem against which they’re “defending” themselves.

Plus, Russia is about as white as a country can get and insanely racist on top of it. It’s a match made in heaven really…and the GOP is so fucking desperate after watching a black man get elected POTUS that they were 100% willing to be Putin’s bottom.

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If transcripts of trumps one on one meeting with Putin are ever released, I bet Putin is instructing trump to say
“That’s an incredible offer.”

Ambassador Jon Huntsman should get the hell out of Russia now b fore he has an “unfortunate” accident.

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