If you think that Democrats should descend to the level of Trump and the Republicans, then you should not be a member of our party.
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Thereās a difference between liking employer-provided health insurance and thinking itās the best solution for the nation as a whole.
People donāt have emotional attachments to insurance companies. Anybody who pretends otherwise is simply lying.
If a wizard could wave a wand and immediately change the nation from an employer-benefit system to a nationalized system, the only people who would be upset would be the insurance companies.
Oh, and the belittling of AOC feelsā¦inappropriate. Sheās far more on top of the issues than Delaney is. Delaney used to be my local rep because, for some reason, the stateās Dems decided a good part of liberal Montgomery County needed to be glommed together with the rural, conservative, western panhandle. I still donāt entirely understand why Delaney didnāt run for re-election last year. He cannot think that he had a serious shot at the nomination. There isnāt a path from āunknown, relatively powerless House representative who recently quitā to Presidential nominee.
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I am not a member of any party. Registered as Independent, there are no open primaries in my state, but even if there were, I would refuse to vote in them.
I am just offering ideas.
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I havenāt heard of a plan yet that calls for kicking people off their private health insurance.
Conversely an alarmingly large segment of our population has no health insurance whatsoever. And there is not one good reason for this, unless you count criminal-level greed as a reason.
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Think so? I thought the ādonāt we get enough intolerance to different points of view from Trump?ā to be even dumber.
Thatās some of that half-assed both siderism we see constantly.
āMeri thinks that Delaney should be gelded. Delaney disagrees. Delaney is now displaying āintolerance to different points of viewāā.
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There is Medicare for All and there is Medicare for All. I would like to know which version he is trashing. Full blown single payer or the opt in variety pushed by some. I would also like to know if he knows the difference.
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What is a category less than a snowballās chance in hell of winning? John (Who?) Delaney is there. But heās got a scintillating theme
āI think Iām the right person for the job, but not enough people knew who I was or still know who I am.ā
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Sorry, but politics really isnāt about treating all opinions equally. What you call āintoleranceā is an essential function of politics. And itās an abuse of a term that is supposed to mean āletting people live in peaceā. Itās not ātolerantā to let you try to run the country in the way you want without forcing you to face criticism. Debate is part of the process. If you donāt have the stomach for it, try another hobby.
āToleranceā is saying āyou have the right to express your opinionā not āIām not going to criticize your opinionā.
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John Delaney uses Fox lies to bash Medicare for All and then complains about a lack of tolerance against alternative (read: false) viewpoints. Next thing heās gonna be complaining about reverse racism and how he is disadvantaged as a white man in the 2020 elections and thatās just so terrible.
Iām not even a fan of Medicare for all and think gradual expansions of ACA are probably the best way to improve healthcare in the US. That doesnāt mean Delaneyās lies (kicking 115 milllion off healthcare) are acceptable.
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Only from the taxes side, itāll be offset by lower expenses from the personal side as people can elect to drop their higher premiums in private insurance for the lower ones of a public option. Medicare is one of the lower payers around, and with lower overhead, so their costs are always going to be less than a Blue Cross or whatever.
Agree that selling people on it is going to be challenging, as they donāt tend to look at their net income after deducting all expenses like that, so they may perceive it as an increase. But they will end up with more money in their pockets in most cases.
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Now he needs to print that up on a zillion bumper stickers only to discover there isnāt enough room for his name.
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Thatāll be Hickenlooperās problem as well.
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He needs an A and B bumper sticker. Vote for Looperhicken!
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People are allowed to have opinions, and are allowed to voice disagreement. Telling the mob that theyāre wrong, when youāre trying to attract their support, is a miscalculation imvho.
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Dems have been ātolerantā of incremental bullshit since Reagan and where has it got them?
- Bought out by corporate interests
- Loss of control of any message
- Abandonment of true American principles and the folks who need them
- Loss of over a thousand seats nationwide
- Loss of spine
Itās past time to take back control and NONE of these so-called ācentristsā offer any hope of doing that.
At this point there are arguably only 3 who can. Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders and maybe Kamala Harris. The rest lack the policies, the fire or both to get the job done and if these others want to snowflake out and whine about getting a rough reception for tired old tropes they certainly donāt have what it takes and should quietly - and QUICKLY - step aside.
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Iām a lifelong Dem and a retired MD. Hickenlooper and Delaney are right. The American medical system is a complete mess and needs to be fixed. But forcing a single rather radical solution like Medicare for All on everyone in our population is NOT the way to do it. FORCING people to change, including many who donāt want to change, is bad politics AND bad policy from start to finish.
IMHO, the proper way to approach the problem is to advocate for MEDICARE FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS IT. In other words, create a public option and then let people VOLUNTARILY join in. Over time, we would end up in the same place. But no one could accuse Dems of shoving their plan down peopleās throats.
Time for a little pragmatism in the Democratic Party. Ideological purity is useless if it has no chance of resulting in meaningful change.
We need more people like Hickenlooper and Delaney speaking out. They should be encouraged, not booed.
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Right, because āletās improve the ACAā was such a scintillating winner in 2016.
Give me a break. Much like the high priced consultants the Dems have been paying for terrible results, neithe ryou nor I have a clue whether Medicare for all is a political winner or not in 2020.
What we do know is that itās a political winner in the Dem primary, and encourages people to come out and vote. What we also know is that itās good policy.
Finally, the argument that itās ātoo expensiveā is BS. Sure, it increases the governmentās direct outlay on healthcare. But it significantly reduces the private outlay from individuals and businesses to the point that it will reduce overall costs.
Every Medicare for all like program in other countries is cheaper than whatever the US has.
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Thatās exactly what the actual proposals are-- a voluntary opt-in to Medicare.
Nobody has been proposing a mandatory implementation across the board.
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Some, maybe even most, M4all plans would closely resemble your approach. Where ACA now permits sane states to expand Medicaid to people with incomes above traditional Medicaid limits, Some M4all plans would modify ACA to provide Medicare or Medicare-like coverage to anybody who wants to choose that as their insurance option.
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By this criteria Yang and Ryan have it made. Now if they can just tell us who they are.
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