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FACTS?!?!? We don’t need no stinking FACTS! We are Republicans! We create our OWN reality.
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A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.
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A Republican making up shit? That’s unpossible.
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Actual quote from Lincoln’s first State of the Union message, delivered* December 2, 1861:
It is not needed nor fitting here that a general argument should be made in favor of popular institutions, but there is one point, with its connections, not so hackneyed as most others, to which I ask a brief attention. It is the effort to place capital on an equal footing with, if not above, labor in the structure of government. It is assumed that labor is available only in connection with capital; that nobody labors unless somebody else, owning capital, somehow by the use of it induces him to labor. This assumed, it is next considered whether it is best that capital shall hire laborers, and thus induce them to work by their own consent, or buy them and drive them to it without their consent. Having proceeded so far, it is naturally concluded that all laborers are either hired laborers or what we call slaves. And further, it is assumed that whoever is once a hired laborer is fixed in that condition for life.
Now there is no such relation between capital and labor as assumed, nor is there any such thing as a free man being fixed for life in the condition of a hired laborer. Both these assumptions are false, and all inferences from them are groundless.
Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. Capital has its rights, which are as worthy of protection as any other rights. Nor is it denied that there is, and probably always will be, a relation between labor and capital producing mutual benefits. The error is in assuming that the whole labor of community exists within that relation.
Suck it Republicans. If he saw what his party had become, he’d have left it faster than Jefferson Davis left Richmond in 1865.
*Literally “delivered.” Presidents sent the SOTU to Congress in writing in lieu of making it into a speech before a joint session in those days.
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potent stuff. thanks.
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What’s hilarious about Kasich’s supposed invocation of Lincoln is that he is one of the worst examples one could use when arguing against taxing the wealthy.
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Lincoln was the first Republican president who signed into law the U.S. very first progressive income tax. Taxing the job creators at a higher rate is how the "Party of Lincoln’ used to operate before it turned into the 'Party of Reagan.' Lincoln did the very thing that Kasich thinks he would never have done.
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That’s a pretty big fail all around, governor.
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Republicans will always tear the little guy down to build the big guy up, i.e. raise the regressive sales tax to lower the progressive income tax.
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A. Lincoln. Speech at Harford Ct., March 5, 1860.
A Democratic Senator* gets up in the Senate Chamber and prompously announces that “I cannot dawt thot this strike is the thresult of the onforchunit wahfar brought about boy this sucktional controversy!” Now whether this is so or not, I know one thing—there is a strike! And I am glad to know that there is a system of labor where the laborer can strike if he wants to! I would to God that such a system prevailed all over the world.
*Stephen Douglas would be the “Democratic Senator” he was referencing. You can’t spend your adult life fighting slavery without thinking long and hard about the value of, and treatment of, labor.
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Well, Kasich should have known better, because Lincoln is famous for having warned that it’s hard to verify the authenticity of quotes on the Internet.
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“HA-Ha!” - Nelson Muntz, Bart the General. 1990.
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Lincoln also once said, “Do you really want the truth, Mary?.. Each and every night I go out… hunting vampires.” It’s true.
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The definition of lying is speaking something that is not true AND knowing that it is not true all the time.
I don’t think that Gov. Kasich was lying. He probably honestly believes that Lincoln (and, for that matter, Reagan) actually followed the Republican party line from 2015. He’s not lying. He’s just an ignorant idiot, whose lack of historical knowledge is matched step by step by his ignorance of and disdain for facts.
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Yes, and it’s amazing how he got all of that into one tweet.
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Kasich wants to be VP so bad. He is defending common core for Jeb Bush. LOL.
Thank you for posting that as well as the link to the complete message. I for one have bookmarked it and will be using it frequently in the future.
That’s some funny Shiite right there.
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I’ll give you a real Kasich quote. “If Bill Clinton’s budget works, I’ll become a Democrat”. I guess that shows you how much Kasich is really affected by quotes.
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WTF! This country has never,ever had a five trillion dollor surplus, never even close. The enire federal buget
is only 3.9 trillon LOL!
If you expect repugs to be accurate and honest, you will be disappointed.