“I understand that there’s been a tremendous amount of misinformation and misunderstanding around this bill,” Pence said. “I’m just determined to clarify perpetuate this.”
FIFY guv.
You lying scumbag.
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You’re too kind.
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Is it wrong that I’m smiling?
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The “State” represents ALL of the people in the state, so regardless of what one says about the “good” businesses and people of the state getting hurt by a boycott, the entire state needs to be held accountable. It’s not enough to say that “most people” don’t agree with this new law. The law represents the will of the majority of people who VOTED…which may very well be only about 15% of the state’s population…
Here’s the reason why:
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Under Indiana’s post-Hobby Lobby law, a “person” is extended to mean “a partnership, a limited liability company, a corporation, a company, a firm, a society, a joint-stock company, an unincorporated association” or another entity driven by religious belief that can sue and be sued.
“That means a corporation in Indiana has a cause of action to sue the government claiming religious personhood for the purposes of this law,” said HRC spokesman Adam Talbot.
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Don’t let these people use ignorance as an excuse for lying their a$$es off.
no surprise that alleged xtian and conservative hate mongers cannot defend their actions and conduct. in the end, they will lose big, as usual.
The other states that passed religious protection laws did so after the Supreme Court held that the federal statute did not apply to the states. Those state statutes mirrored the federal act for the most part, and generally held that a state could not impose a practice on someone whose religion opposed the practice, unless it could demonstrate a good reason to do so. The courts have applied the federal and state statutes to practices such as prohibiting Muslim inmates from having beards.
Illinois has a similar statute. Pence’s assertion that Obama voted for Illinois’ statute as a state Senator received only a “half true” label from PolitiFact. Typically sloppy reasoning, both by Pence and PolitiFact.
Here’s an accurate summary as provided by the Chicago Tribune on Saturday:
But the Republican governor and possible presidential contender left
out an important fact. While Illinois does have a law that gives special
protections to religious objectors, it also bans discrimination based
on sexual orientation. Indiana, on the other hand, has no such ban.That
distinction is crucial, legal experts say, because anti-discrimination
laws are considered stronger than religious exemptions.
It’s probably asking too much of the rest of the MSM to actually look into the matter before repeating Pence’s drivel.
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After this spectacular and unforced political pratfall, it should be unnecessary to remind everyone that Mike Pence is a relentlessly stupid man.
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That was so lame by the Gov. Jezus. He really tossed out a bunch of BS there.
Not all RFRA’s are the same, Gov – but you tried to make them so.
For example, in a number of the states that do have it, they have Civil
Rights protections for sexual orientation and other classes. Most all of them only define “person” as a living breathing human
individual.
Indiana’s law is written differently and says that a person includes
“a partnership, a limited liability company, a corporation, a company,
a firm, a society, a joint-stock company, an unincorporated
association.”
There’s the big difference. Yup. Corps are religious people too.
In addition, the Indiana law allows people /corps to sue the state if
their religious beliefs are being infringed, and the text of the law
goes out its way to say their state law trumps local ordinances. There
are laws in some Indiana towns and cities that do protect sexual
orientation – but poof those are overridden by the state law.
This bill is quite a bit different than most of the other ones -
that’s why people are wigging about it, and also why a similar one
brought before Jan freakin Brewer (!)! in AZ was vetoed.
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Of course he won’t say it. He knows damn well it does.
On the other side, conservative groups with deep ties to many Indiana churches are lobbying hard. One such group, Advance America, is making a fact sheet available to churches.
“SB 568 will help protect individuals, Christian businesses and churches from those supporting homosexual marriages,” it says. “Christian bakers, florists and photographers should not be punished for refusing to participate in a homosexual marriage!”
When asked if the pending legislation would afford such protections, (bill’s author Sen. Scott) Schneider said it would.
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Verizon sure picked the wrong year to sponsor the Indy 500 . . . . .
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Thanks, that’s very enlightening.
In the 2014 election 28.0% of Indianans voted. Even Mississippi which we love to mock had 29.7% come out.
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Pence said: “I understand that there’s been a tremendous amount of misinformation and misunderstanding around this bill, I’m just determined to clarify this.” Stephanopoulos repeatedly gave the Governor the opportunity to clarify and he chose not to do that. The reason, of course, is clear and the prior religious freedom bills are NOT the same as this one, it goes much, much further to codify - and permit - discrimination. Let the heat on Indiana continue!!!
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Thread winner!
jw1
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But not nearly as good looking as the vacuous candidate in the movie of the same name who after being elected said “What do we do now.” In Pence’s case ALEC stepped into the breach. He and others in the state have direct ties to ALEC.
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Now you’re just pissing-off the hammers.
jw1
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To have kept one’s conscience clear-- one would not take the Koch-bucks.
It’s a vicious cycle!
jw1
So, realistically, only about 15% of registered voters put these morons in power…4.4 million registered.
I couldn’t find out what percent of eligible voters are actually registered.