Discussion for article #240230
I hate it when Trump occasionally says things that I am forced to agree with, but Warren is right. And the derp is so strong among Trump supporters that they’d never actually hear it said if it wasn’t him saying it.
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“There are a lot of places where he gets out and talks about important things,” Warren said of Trump on ABC’s “The View.”
New York Times columnist Paul Krugman also wrote in a Monday column that Trump is “right on economics,” given the real estate mogul’s position on taxes and health care.
When it comes to Dems, even trolling is “nuanced.”
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Thanks to Trump, what Liz Warren is talking about is more exposed as an idea.
To me, its value is not to Trump’s supporters (who would be counted upon to enslave or subjugate minorities at the earliest opportunity, tax or no tax), but to enlighten tens of millions of otherwise distracted people who do not willingly (because of MSM derp) watch the other broadcast outlets and Progressive online and print materials which have been saying these things Forever and a Day.
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Mark my words, Trump with be the nominee, and we’ll all be sweating bullets on election night watching a too close to call race.
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Right. Exactly where I was going with it. Trump also eviscerated Scott Walker in a way a Democrat never could, basically by using the entire playbook the left was using, but within the epistemically closed right-wing bubble.
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Hmmm. So Trump is popularizing an idea that has been promoted by Obama as president (who was able to implement some raising of taxes on the wealthy) and by other Democrats like Hillary and Warren herself.
Rather than celebrating that an oafish GOPer got more mileage out of this idea than the combined efforts of the above, I’d think twice: celebrity trumps [pardon the pun] everything else of substance in the USA?
If Warren and Krugman both say it, I guess I have to agree that Trump’s economics are the best among the GOP contenders.
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Hush your mouth! Don’t even think it!
Only in the event of Democratic derp.
And what is that?
It goes, mainly, in two (opposite-looking) directions.
(a) flat-out distraction, as the near-Herculean tasks of registering and voting “can take a toll”
(b) Making-The-Perfect-The-Enemy-Of-The-Good, then taking the beach ball and sulking home
Both result in miscast and/or no votes for Democrats.
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Nah, will never happen. Remember how scared we were that George W Bush would win in 2000? But Gore pulled it out in the end and won the popular vote. I pretty much stopped watching the news after they declared Gore the winner in Florida early in the evening and I’m sure nothing major has happened in the last 15 years. When Boston breaks the curse and wins the World Series, then I’ll start worrying about crazy talk like that.
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Baggers are, literally, in a state of emotionally arrested development. But actually worse than the ten year-olds they most remind me of.
That is because of two things. One, Baggers are charged with acting like adults, which, since they do not have the capacity to undertake, CAN cause serious damage (see: Congress, SCOTUS, G.W. Bush, etc.). Two, unlike 10 year-olds, they are NOT going to mature any further.
And one of the things Baggers do best is willful ignorance… I never had as much of a problem with that when I taught Middle School.
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Or the baggers come out of the woodwork in droves to vote for THEIR candidate.
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“There are a lot of places where he gets out and talks about important things,”
Important? No “useful” would be a better term to use. “Important” gives Trump too much credit.
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I agree with her and I wrote yesterday that I like his premise on taxing the rich (so did Krugman) but was called naive for being taken in by his lies. I was not taken in. I would never vote for him but I still maintain I like those words. It needs to come out of democrats’ mouths. So it’s nice to see I am in good company with Elizabeth Warren.
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Why, you’ve missed three wars and six Patriots Superbowls.
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There are more sane people in the U.S. than Baggers. The reasons that this appears not to be the case are several.
For one thing, Bagger belief is more intense.
Two, Baggers consist of age cohorts which vote…and vote A LOT…and for these age cohorts politics is IT (as opposed to the world of younger more Democratic constituencies who are actually trying to LIVE, as opposed to trying to watch as much FOX “news” as possible). In those TeaBagger-ridden “Town Halls” of 2009-2010, which sprang the Bagger phenomenon into the MSM Playbook, most of those on hand were Granny and Gramps
Three, the agenda of the 0.001% (which owns the MSM) coincides with the Republican one (which is more and more money and assets going from the lower classes to the top classes). This results in the phenomena of under-reported actions by left of center folks and over-reported actions by right of center people
All the People have to do to stop Baggerdom is simple:
Show up and vote.
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But there is no nuance in the right-wing blogosphere. Just a lot of shouting that liberal darlings Krugman and Warren endorse Donald Trump. Not exactly true, is it? You think that matters to the millions of people who suddenly find Trump a tad less appalling?
There is no benefit whatsoever to endorsing a thing Donald Trump has to say. It only serves to present Trump as a reasonable man with ideas, which is exactly what he’s not.
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Perhaps I haven’t kept up with sifting through the bullshit Trump espouses to find some vague statements that can then be pointed out and called policy, but the only tax raising that I have heard Trump mention is closing the carried interest loophole. While I think results in a whopping $600 million revenue increase. (A drop in the bucket in other words).
Everything else he has said on taxes, he has walked back (including a one time tax of about half the nations GDP in one year) for being utterly crazy. At various times he has proposed doing away with the estate tax, with doing away with corporate taxes, he supported the Bush tax cuts.
In other words, when he isn’t being completely loopy, he is all about not taxing his wealth. And when push comes to shove, he will drop his comments about the carried interest loophole as well. He is merely trolling the GOP, while getting “oohs” and “aahs” from the media about a Very Serious Maverick.
It saddens me to see Warren and Krugman getting suckered into this con by him. They both are smart enough to know better.
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Wow she actually listens to what he said? And silly me though she wasn’t a person that wasted time! Hummm, Krugman also mentioned Trump has talked of taxing the rich, that’s probably how she actually found out, from reading Krugman…yea that make me feel better! Ha ha ha.