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WarrenâŚthe reason why the Dems will lose the PresidencyâŚ
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Of course the party loyalist suckups will blame everybody but their corporate ball licking candidates.
âI want to judge the final agreement. I have been for trade agreements; I have been against trade agreements,â she said, according to CNN.
Well now, how about stating for the record WHICH you support and why. I donât know of any that have benefited the American worker, but Iâm willing to listen.
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No. Sen. Warren is the reason we are discussing the issue. Discussion among the people most affected by the TPP is good and fair. This also exposes the fact the Republicans are totally behind President Obama, the agreement AND Fast Track â Why? â Seriously, they have fought the man tooth and nail for the last six years but this huge, very expansive agreement is more than okay? Money. Given our nationâs history with these agreements, her very real concerns are very warranted.
Thank you, Sen. Warren!!
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It is a world economyâŚWarren is a bankruptcy law professor,Real
GDP will remain mired at +2% a year if you are lucky under a Warren
adminstrationâŚeach addtional 1% in GDP growth is an addtional 1.5
million jobsâŚProgressives are naive how the world worksâŚ
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Actually I think that republican voters hate the thought of pushing American jobs overseas, which this bill seems to do, only slightly less than they hate Obama. So Iâm guessing a lot of them will reluctantly find themselves in agreement with Warren (or actually just against anything Obama is for) that they donât want this trade deal to go through. And Iâm sure republicans still wonât vote for Hillary if she, like they, is against it. But if this deal doesnât go through now, hopefully it wonât later on regardless of which party gets elected next.
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Yes, but progressives understand that GDP growth no longer translates into a better life for American workers and jobs paying $10/hr, no matter how many created, will just continue to provide less of the expendable income needed to fuel a consumer driven economy and only lead to further concentration of wealth in fewer hands and inevitable social unrest.
We also understand that there are two sides to every ledger in both the literal and metaphorical sense.
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Talk about naive. First off, Warren is a Senator, and has been since 2013. Please try to keep up. Secondly, Warren is not running for President, so why are you babbling about a Warren administration? She has only said she is not running, every single time anyone has asked her. Again, please try really hard to keep up. Thirdly, progressives are aware enough of who the world works to know that somebody yapping on a comment thread about what the GDP growth is going to be for the next 4+ years, based entirely upon someone who isnât even running being President, is not to be believed.
Just because you believe what ever economist fairy is whispering in your ear is absolute gospel, rest of the world doesnât. Especially if you believe you can make hard predictions on GDP growth based entirely upon who is in the White House.
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Absolutely. Something is deeply wrong when -all of a sudden- Obamaâs allies are âLyinââ Paul Ryan and Rafel âRatfuckerâ Cruz.
I want to hear Hillaryâs answer. Iâve written her campaign and told them I will not vote for a politician who supports TPP. I am certain I am not alone in this.
Hillary could get authorization to read the agreement. She needs to do so and then get on the record over this. There is no wiggle room here.
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Warren has done nothing to encourage job growth and that in the end
will be what voters vote forâŚ
I think you are wrong there. The early votes are showing republicans voting pretty much in lockstep in favor of TPP. Which, in and of itself, is reason most Demâs should at least pause and take a deep breath before blindly supporting this. This brings the grand total of things that every republican in Congress has agreed with President Obama to exactly once.
Now, that being said, I think this is a case that Hillary does herself no favors for weighing in on the subject early, before the full text becomes available. It probably wouldnât hurt her to weigh on with some generalities, but it probably doesnât help her either. This is a case that whatever she says, because everything IS secret about this deal, will immediately become subject to projection by both her detractors and supporters. So I would advise her to tread cautiously, if at all, in regards to specific comments on TPP. Its quickly becoming a hot button for the Dem party.
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The GOP is a joke with encouraging job growthâŚIf they really got their
way with Government spending we would suffer a deep recessionâŚ
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Thus proving @Manzielâs point. Creating these kinds of âreal progressiveâ litmus tests for Dems seem no different than the Tea Partyâs role within the Republican party. The idea of âI wonât vote for [enter Dem candidate name here] unless theyâre a âreal progressiveââ is not only un-helpful, but downright corrosive to the Dem party.
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Just picking on Hillary isnât going to advance Warren, whom isnât even looking for advancement at this point.
Elizabeth Warren can make her case without the assumption and bringing down of Hillary. Why does she in fact, she could just as easily presume that Hillary will do all of the right things.
There is plenty to pick on, rage about and rile up followers with without the tearing down of our most likely leader for the next decade. Elizabeth Warren could meet with Hillary or email her on her private account ; ) or communicate with her in any number of ways without hinting to the bloodlust media that there may be something fishy going on.
Elizabeth Warren also has credibility to maintain, she should choose her accusations wisely.
No, Democrats will lose the presidency because they are gutless wonders who will not press for details on TPP, theyâd rather just smear one of their own and salute closet Republicans like Hillary and Barrack. Elect a Republican â get Republican policy, but elect a Democrat, and you still get Republican policy. See, different.
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The republicans you say are voting for it seem to be congress members. I know they donât give a shit about pushing jobs overseas or anything else their corporate masters want as long as they keep getting donations.
The voting republicans I am referring to are citizens. I know they will not vote for a Hillary, or any other democrat, even if that democrat would be better for their bottom line. But I do think in primaries they would prefer to vote for a republican that doesnât vote, or at least says they wonât vote, for trade deals like this. And I think the number of tea party winners points this out.
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The TP darlings currently in Congress are all lining up to vote for this, including Mike Smith, Ted Cruz, and I believe even Rand Paul. So it would appear they donât feel any particular threat from their right flanks on this issue.
What is rather interesting, though, is that a discussion about primarying starts with âwill TP candidates use this as a basis to primary Congress critter X?â, while the actual argument is happening within the Democratic party. Why are there no discussions of âwill the Progressives primary Congress critter Y based on this?â
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Republicans have got to love TPP â they can pander to the 1% by passing it, and they have a Democratic President to blame the inevitable job losses on.
Of course Obama loves it, heâs been looking for 6 years to find a bill he could pass with just Republican votes and his signature. I suppose better TPP than a âGrand Bargainâ to slash Social Security.
So everybody who matters wins; American workers and Progressive Democrats donât matter.
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I raised this the other day pledging that support for TPP by any candidate will mean no vote from me.
Warren isnât running for president, Cupcake.
Do try to keep up.
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