Discussion: Walmart, Book Distributor Suspend Ties With Smiley After Allegations Surface

Another prominent professional guy destroyed. The witch hunt continues.

The plain fact is that there is sex going on out there. People are fucking. Sometimes bosses fuck underlings. And it is not always sex harassment. There are arguments which discuss this - of course, those who even defend the possibility of faculty and student relationships are accused of Title IX violations (see Laura Kipnis’ polemic about sex paranoia). Now we have another guy who seems to have been sandbagged probably by a bitter ex who he dumped.

This is fucking stupid. In all senses of the word. Grow up, ladies. Stop abusing, gents. But it is time to stop revenge by HR.

Original Kipnis piece:
http://laurakipnis.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Sexual-Paranoia-Strikes-Academe.pdf

Discussion of the witch hunt against Kipnis:

Another discussion of Kipnis:

I can’t get access to her piece My Title IX Inquisition. It’s behind a paywall for the Chronicle.

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Go fuck yourself with an AR-15.

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My, someone seems to be having a problem. Nasty comments demonstrate that a person is an asshole.

Look in the mirror. There has to be something behind your deep continual degradation of women. Jilted too many times? Or are you just a serial abuser that got caught? I’m leaned toward the later.

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You are confused. I uphold process. You want a witch hunt. A witch hunt damages everyone. Keillor, Franken, Lizza, dozens more. Title IX was the same thing - witch hunts on campus, destroying men for morning-after re-evaluation. Wake up, pattycakes!! Back-lash has begun.

As to my history, I will admit to having been burned, years ago, by a false accusation. Not sex abuse, other crap that SJWs love. As to my relations with women, they are fine. I hire them. I just got put into a temporary position of supervising an entire department of all women. I don’t think there’s a single guy in there. I was gonna joke that for the permanent position, guys too would be considered, but squelched that little bon mot.

Oh you poor, poor, poor abused white male! We all feel for you! We really do! Why don’t you check into a shelter for abused men. Oh…what that you say? They don’t exist? Why would that be?

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No, you have a long history at TPM of degrading women. I’ve seen it over and over again. No matter the issue, no matter the piece, you manage to work in some comment that involves trashing women. I seriously hope you do not have a daughter because I cannot even fathom how horribly she’d view herself were she listening to your awful opinion of women.

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Where? Just saying it doesn’t make it so.

Too late - I’ve got 2, and they are, even as adults, good friends of both myself and my wife. Our youngest gets married in 3 weeks. I’m sure you will join me in wishing good things to the couple. She’s the one I coached in soccer for years and years.

Your problem is that you don’t understand complicated stuff. It’s a problem, but it’s not my problem. You need to work on sophisticated ideas. Like adult relationships are complicated, not simplistic things that people like you can understand.

I don’t understand complicated stuff because I clearly see that you’re a misogynistic jerk?

And I’m glad your daughter is getting married. Hopefully, she or her husband will get a job far, far away from you. Your view of women is toxic. You may not see it, but it’s evident.

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Thanks for your good wishes. My future SIL is in a very tight area of scholarship. I doubt that a position for him exists here. Since I am retiring soon, I look forward to them situating themselves far away, to give us plenty of excuses for road trips.

Really quite saddened to see Smiley go down. Like many of us commenting here, I have very mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, it’s clearly important to advance the autonomy and safety of women in society; on the other hand I can’t help reflecting that the likes of MLK, JFK, Clinton, Franken, etc have produced or supported enormous advances in the lives of women and men alike, and that their personal transgressions are, in the consequentialist terms, of minor significance. I think Zephyr Teachout has got this right: if we’re going to finally tackle this real problem for women (and to a lesser degree, men), we should have (1) some norms about due process, and (2) more important, some sense of proportionality about the transgressions. You can’t just end careers instantly in a flurry of accusations and whispers about unknown wrongs, with no distinction being drawn between cases of different gravity. A guy like Franken, who enjoys fantastic testimonies of support from his former workplace colleagues and whose wrongful actions place him on the least culpable end of the spectrum, should be able to apologize, accept a censure, and move forward.
EDIT: Also, the absence of a systematic approach to the matter will inevitably result in a backlash about ā€˜the war on men’ and all these careers will have been destroyed for nothing, and all the advances made will be lost.

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you know plucky - I’m starting to think nick danger isn’t his real name…

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