Shhh, Terry, we’re trying to get along.
Why is it always Hillary family and friends cause her the most trouble
This is why McAuliffe was such a disaster as DNC chair and 2008 Clinton campaign manager – he fails to engage his brain before opening his mouth.
Terry, Debbie is waiting for you at a table over THERE!
As I understand Clinton’s position, she was against the gold standard of trade deals “in its present form.” So, I infer that merely changing the meaning of what “is” is would satisfy her. She’ll be signing it, without a doubt.
But it’s not a trade deal. It’s a corporate governance deal. It embraces slavery. It eviscerates our ability to control own own environment. It inhibits the availability of life-saving medications. It will accelerate the decline of the middle class.
Terry MacAuliffe was a prime force behind Clinton’s “Third Way” auction of party principles to corporate interests. He personifies the Third Way: call one’s self a Democrat but peddle influence like a Republican. He and his boss were two of the reasons many abandoned the party, because the party abandoned us.
And he’s spot on – the Clinton II dynasty will be a continuation of this insult to people who have to take shower after work before hugging their kids. He should know.
And he’ll be appointing Tim Kaine’s replacement in the Senate should by some stroke of fortune they manage to beat Trump. That should provide Corey Booker and Chuck Schumer and the rest of the neoliberal “Democrats” with some reinforcement as they sell us all down the river.
My question is, and yes Bernie’s attack on trade is harmful for USA workers, how many of these critics have actually read the agreement. Reading a paragraph does not count. One should not comment without reading and understanding the agreement in it’s entirety.
I agree on that completely. Unfortunately, the far left has framed this issue as “TPP bad” and Rump’s campaign has latched on to it. Now, the general public at large is infected with this ignorance and it’s going to be hard to shake off.
This is the 21st century and there will be trade deals because there has to be. America isn’t some island sitting alone in middle of the ocean. There need to be trade deals BUT the provisions they contain have to be much stronger. The Pac Rim will continue to make deals with other countries and leave us out in the cold. We can’t ignore that.
Conflating Bernie’s critique of the TPP and US neoliberal trade policy in general with Trump’s empty rhetoric shows you are not to be taken seriously. As usual.
The difficulty isn’t with Sanders’ critique. The problem is that at least some of his supporters have dumbed down the message, and have embraced a simplistic bumper-sticker version of it that is indistinguishable from the “dopey from the get-go” Trump version.
Oh, Terry. You did such a good job with reinstate felons’ voting rights. Please don’t do harm.
A reporter yesterday asked one of the Bernie people at the convention what the letters “TPP” stood for as he was in the middle of a rant against Hillary because of TPP. The Bernie supporter couldn’t even answer that basic question.
So, yeah, I think for a significant number of them, its just mindless regurgitation
How is the Bernie version different than the Trump version?
We need to get real while discussing trade. Was NAFTA really so bad? How many jobs did it create? How many manufacturing jobs were really lost to NAFTA and how many were lost to consumers chosing to shop WalMart etc for cheap foreign made products? It we truely support the middle class and “working” USA we need to look at changing job structures and fund education to deal with the new labor market. We need to stop our “bumper sticker” policy making and get on with realistically dealing with the real world.
- Have you yourself read it all?
- Based on previous trade deals that were sold as a benefit to American workers anything but complete skepticism would be stupid.
- The way the negotiations were handled including the fact that no one from labor was included on the negotiation while everyone else is refereed to as a “stake holder” tells you how much concern there was for jobs going into this agreement.
- At the end of the day we all know Clinton is going to pass the TPP anyway.
I’m pretty sure it’s the same for most of us. 
Have you?
China made me do it.
So let me see if I have this straight: Clinton ally and close confidant says what many critics have been thinking all along and he’s wrong because reasons. Furthermore, in actuality the TPP is pretty awesome and critics of it are just sad, entitled millennial berniebros or Drumpf sycophants.
Well looks like TPM has got the neoliberal, centrist republican readership all sewn up.
The issue I fear is that they’re setting up a scenario where it appears that Madame Secretary has sold the country out by going back to TPP. Yes, I understand why she’s leaning towards the Sanders side in order to get his supporters on board. But at some point, reality will have to be dealt with and I think that’s what T Mac was trying (albeit clumsily) to get at.
old_man_winter: No one on this board has said ANYTHING resembling what you just said. But since you don’t really have a cogent argument, you resort to sounding like an entitled millennial berniebro or Drumpf sycophant.