Discussion: Videos Show Police Fatally Shooting Unarmed Black Man Holding Cellphone

What do you want to bet they were fired from their previous job as well.

In most jobs, getting fired isn’t a free pass to your next gig. Maybe if jail instead of firing was used, bad apples couldn’t keep killing people.

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“each has four years’ previous experience with other law enforcement agencies”

Lemme guess…ICE?

So confusing??? Cops were the good guys with a gun and black man was the bad guy with a cell phone???

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I’m curious: does anyone on these forums work as a police officer?

You could leave off the qualifier “with a cell phone” and your sentence is still operative for law enforcement purposes.

You sir are correct…

The answer to your unasked question is Blue Wall

how upsetting. a black man, in his own family’s back yard, holding a cellphone, and two cops piss all over themselves trying to gun him down. Why are they afraid of black men? The reason is obvious, right? for anyone who has ever traveled abroad and realized how fucked-up the Merican psyche is regarding black men, you know why. The institutionalization of racism effects us all, whether you’re willing to admit it or are even aware of it.

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As long as the cops feared for their lives, they’ll be cleared.

“Something in his hands, it looked like a gun from our perspective,” one officer says.

Who says that?

“He had a gun” would be how someone who thought he had a gun would respond.

“from our perspective” is what you say when you don’t know what it was, or you knew it wasn’t a gun.

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WTF kind of place deploys helicopters for reports of somebody breaking into cars??? Around here they show up half an hour later, shrug their shoulders, and say “sorry, not much we can do”.

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“Hey, mute”

After a shootout where they kill a man, an unarmed man and knew they were in trouble, how in the hell is it legal for the cops to mute their recording?

This strikes me as criminal conspiracy to lie.

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I’m surprised that nobody has framed it this way:

How are the prisons supposed to remain profitable if the police keep killing their best “clients”???

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“How many more times, treat me the way you wanna do…” Led Zeppelin

New theme song for citizens being murdered with impunity in the streets…no end in sight…

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Good thing that no cop ever has lied under oath.

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The officers who fired are taken to the street, where someone says “Hey mute” and the audio cuts out. The video continues without sound for about two minutes as the officers talk.

“Based on the videos alone, I cannot second guess the split-second decisions of our officers and I’m not going to do that,” Mayor Darrell Steinberg said in a statement.

“… But I must applaud our officers for their split-second decision to mute their audio recorders.”

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Ironically, it even causes Black police officers to fear other Blacks irrationally.

I do not, but my uncle, his son, and my cousin’s half-brother are (or were, in my uncle’s case) cops, and every one of them has been extremely critical of past incidents like this. I suspect Brian and Eric would be pretty damned critical of this one, too, after watching the video.

Points:

  1. The helicopter officer is giving bad information. ‘He’s running toward the front’—the individual in question is, at that point in the video, clearly moving in a slow, either cautious or unhurried manner. He’s walking, not running. By saying ‘running’, the aerial observer’s giving the officers on the ground an impression of a more frenetic, more active and amped up suspect, heightening their tension.

  2. ‘Show us your hands GUN GUN GUN’. Note the lack of delay in that bodycam’s audio. These officers ordered the suspect to show them his hands and then did not order him to drop what he was holding. They did not hesitate even half a second between seeing something in his hands in poor lighting (their bodycams indicate their hand-lights were not trained on him, so it’s the yard lighting only) and opening fire. Even if he’d been holding a gun, and not pointing it at them, at that point he should have been directed to disarm, and not simply fired upon at close range.

  3. The decision to immediately mute the audio frames this as immediately suspect, even in the minds of the officers on the scene.

Taken together: the aerial observer has the men on the ground anticipating a combative, possibly panicked suspect who’s been backed into a corner, not a guy in his own back yard. They don’t get good lighting on him, and see an object in his hand. The first officer speaking panics, and he opens fire shouting ‘GUN GUN GUN’, which causes the second officer to open fire as well. After the shooting, they’re both still very jumpy, and almost immediately start realizing ‘oh shit’.

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