Discussion for article #232026
How many times is it necessary for a police to discharge their weapon in their entire career let alone kill two people?
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Bingo. How the hell is he still on the job? Oh, wait, he’s a cop.
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I really would like to go through “use of force” training myself just to be sure, but my feeling is that if I already have my gun trained on someone, I’d have the upper hand even after actually VERIFYING they have a gun.
OK after watching the video I have to say the officer (and/or colleagues) really put him in a tough position by his going up to a car with four people all alone. His decision in the moment he shot was questionable, but everything leading up to that was downright ludicrous. Training and tactics must change.
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Do you think it’s possible for anyone on the right to even conceptualize the idea that if the nation wasn’t soaked in guns, if we’d made it just the teensiest bit harder to get one in, say, the 1960s, cops wouldn’t constantly be assuming that anyone who moves in a way they don’t like is going for a gun?
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Yeah. I get that you can’t expect perfection of response in situations where every sensory perception is being filtered through a haze of fight or flight hormones. I really do get that. It’s the exact reason I think concealed carry laws are idiotic.
But I also can’t believe that training cops to wait just a fraction of a second longer to see whether a suspect they’re already pointing their gun at who moves in a way they don’t like is actually coming up with a gun before emptying a clip into them will materially affect their chances of coming home alive. And it might well reduce the number of them who have to deal with a lifetime of guilt and PTSD.
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First of all you keep the gun aimed at the specific guy he was talking about and there is NO WAY he can grab a gun and then point it at you and shoot you before you can fire. So you wait until he actually grabs “a gun” first. Also, this was not pursuit of people who just did an armed robbery. It’s a traffic stop. Get this a-hole off the streets and give him a desk job.
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All of which is why it was a totally righteous shoot. And besides, he was a bad person who took drugs so he had it coming to him.
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These friggin cops are getting way to touchy with the trigger. THis shoot first figure it out later policy is going to create a super storm sooner or later. This guy was so wound up that he loses his emotional control after the fact instead of being in control before killing someone. Something one would think he learned after the training of doing it once before.
Hopefully his career as a cop is over.
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Have to wonder if his walking up directly in front of his dashcam before breaking down was premeditated, especially being as this was his second killing. If it was, after his next unjustified murder, maybe he can pursue an acting career.
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I think this dude needs to go into another line of work. A career change would do him and the community a solid.
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Precisely. On the couple of occasions that I’ve seen some of Alaska State Troopers, I’ve been struck by the comment often made by the troopers that they have to assume that virtually everyone they encounter is armed. That’s got to make you a little jumpy.
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Actually his breaking down like that is an admission he screwed up, so I doubt it was acting. If he wanted to justify it, he would not break down, he would just say he felt bad but had no choice because the guy was reaching for a dark object, etc. Keep in mind his tears could also partially be sympathy for himself, since he knows he will have to deal with trying to justify this.
Definitely looked unstable during the incident, and while breaking down. Not fit for duty.
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My son graduated a police academy in the early 90s. He went thru some pretty extensive shoot/don’t shoot training in scenarios designed to create severe stress and split second decision making. So there is some such training in at least one academy. (He currently does investigations for a Public Defender’s office).
I hear you, but I think the breakdown is genuine, but it’s as much for himself as it is for the victim.
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I think that kind of training is standard in police academies and for law enforcement majors. But apparently, it is now used to train them in One Percent Doctrine tactics.
This man should have never been a cop. He simply does not have what it takes in terms of personal judgement to be capable not simply being a killer.
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How many people do you get to shoot before you don’t get to be a cop any more?
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“I knew in that moment, which later was determined to be untrue, but I knew in that moment that he was reaching for a gun,” Morrison told the panel, according to NBC. “I couldn’t take that risk. … I wanted to see my son grow up.”
Neither Ramirez nor Shaw will have that same opportunity, thanks to this coward.
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So, does this make it official? “I thought” is good enough? When cops start to rape people and say “I thought she wanted it”, will that be fine? It seems to be good enough for killing people.
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