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And what will get all the press? The possibility that the event didn’t happened. The pond scum masquerading as broadcast media will happily ignore the horrific number of rapes nationwide. There were 188,000 in 2010. That’s 1 ever 2 minutes. But lets focus on this one instance and ignore the rest. It’s rather like the gun fetishists ignoring gun violence statistics.
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There was no Phi Kappa Psi brother listed as a lifeguard at the university’s Aquatic and Fitness Center in 2012;
The fraternity did not hold a social event during the weekend of Sept. 28, 2012;
The fraternity’s pledging activities take place in the spring and not the fall semester.
That’s it? Those are the “discrepancies” dug up by “alumni and students” that are supposed to disprove the whole story?
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Having to post comment from this venue rather than from the story makes die a little bit on the inside with every new article.
“The fraternity did not hold a social event during the weekend of Sept. 28, 2012”
At least not any event that their lawyer said they the had to list as social events. I’m pretty sure most of the frat event that I went to during college were not listed as “Social events.”
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Dev and Design can spin a better story than the UX people any day and that is because Dev and Design lie
My thoughts as well. I was in a fraternity. Pledging is all year, though officially it might only be done one semester. Social events are every weekend in a frat house. We raged every Thursday, Friday and Saturday, though only had official parties two or three times a semester.
This rebuttal is VERY weak.
Remember Rolling Stone regularly says shitty music is awesome. Don’t think they can’t be be swayed just in their music reviews by money.
I’m a little surprised that the national fraternity organization is even diving into this level of rebuttal. The story was falling apart under its own weight. This just makes the frat look bad, IMHO – are there accurate lists of everyone who works for any length of time as a lifeguard? Which frat parties are documented “social events”? Are they saying a gang rape is on their list of “pledging activities” that are only in the spring?
I mean, come on, I’m pleased and proud to have attended a frat-free college, but I lived, worked and went to law school in Chapel Hill for six years and if there’s a frat at a college that wasn’t having a party every weekend in every September of every year since 1900, it was due to war, riot, natural disaster, or discovery that they were on double secret probation.
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I disagree only because I like referring to the reply notification bubble, which the in-story “drawer” didn’t display.
Sept 28, 2012 weekend saw a home game after two games on the road for the Cavaliers. So yeah, I am going to have a hard time believing nothing was going on.
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And vice versa. They hated Led Zeppelin and REM, claiming both were going nowhere in reviewing their first albums, respectively.
Yeah, I’d call that a pretty conclusive finding that you will see nowhere mentioned in the ugly, ugly shit that’s about to happen in this story.
Leaving aside all the stupid-assed speculation about Munchausen by Proxy and the other crazy shit I’ve seen here today, Occam’s Razor says she’s a girl who got raped who turned out to know a bit less about the perpetrators and the venue than she thought she did, a thing that happens a lot after a traumatic event. Or alternately she’s a girl who got raped and talked to a reporter who smoothed a few rough edges off the story to make it read better or because her notes said what she wanted to hear for narrative purposes rather than what she was told–a pledge party with a frat boy rather than “I went to a party at a frat with a boy.”
Any trial lawyer knows a) details irrelevant to the overall truth of a story about something traumatic are going to drift over time even as the victim becomes more certain of them, at least in the telling, and b) exposing those inconsistencies can devastate the credibility of the witness.
Millions of people believe with all their hearts that they saw the footage of that second plane hitting the WTC live on TV when, in fact, that footage didn’t surface for days but that inaccuracy doesn’t change the fact that both towers were hit by planes and millions were watching TV when the second hit.
Well, yeah. When someone says he or she was gangraped by a lifeguard and there is neither a lifeguard nor a gang, things start to look tenuous. Outside of that, she’s actually named the person she’s accusing, and he looks nothing like her descriptions, as well as other issues that have reportedly gotten her kicked out of her rape support group.
This is really turning into Benghazi-style truther nonsense.
She was wrong about where it happened, when it happened, and who did it. Her own friends are saying they don’t believe her. Occam’s razor says it didn’t happen.
Actually, looking a lot more like Greenwald fans drawing inferences that they’re being led to draw but that aren’t actually supported by the evidence offered. There’s no evidence she was “wrong about where it happened.” She was wrong about there being a rush event going on that weekend at that particular flat and apparently wrong about the guy being a member of that frat.
Except that this seems to be a big part of what has people saying the story is falling apart . . .
I don’t know, I think the Washington Post reporting is much more damning – they did a bunch of followup interviews with Jackie this week and identified multiple discrepancies. Her friends seem to be peeling off too. Maybe I have the timeline wrong but the frat’s statement just seemed to come at the tail end of things, and the points iterated legalistic parsing and not very convincing on their own.