They are provocateurs, and their previous events on campuses have led to violence. Really, colleges should just decline to host on the grounds of public safety.
Uh, no. Right-leaning groups speak all the time on college campuses without any violence. Spencer isn’t right-of-center. He’s not there to discuss tax brackets, gay marriage or abortion rights. He’s a Nazi looking for a fight and he should be treated as such. Either bill him for security or let the masses beat the shit out of him.
One would think that reasonable Republicans would shout long and loud that the vicious mix of racism, white-nationalism, and bigotry that Spencer stands for would is not a “right of center political ideology” to be confused with the GOP brand of politics. Unless, of course, most a just fine with it…which may just be the case?
Why should a university assume the risk of hosting an event wherein the main speaker is a self-professed provocateur and, in effect, openly inviting of risk? The answer is self-evident.
Never heard of Richard Spencer, but now I have. A speech that might have gone unnoticed, even by most students on the campus, is now national news. I guess ANTIFA never heard of the Streisand effect.
I heard Diane Feinstein speak about free speech on CSPAN. She seems to think that any time thugs threaten violence on campus, administrators should just cancel the event. Her formula is a recipe for the the end of free speech. All you need to “de-platform” a speaker is a group like ANTIFA to threaten, and spineless college administrators to cave. ANTIFA is a terrorist group, they are a national threat; why isn’t homeland security neutralizing them, arresting their leaders, arresting anybody who shows up at a speaking event in their “uniform” with a mask, and keeping track of who donates to them as terrorist sympathizers?
My disappointment with Democrats grows worse. You’ve got to wonder what country they grew up in. They’ve demonstrated contempt for free and fair elections, contempt for due process, and contempt for free speech; all core values that have served us well for over 200 years. What does the Democratic party stand for? Are there any rights Democrats would defend?
Just call it what it really is - an asshole fee.
Yes, you have, and you know you have. And the rest of your post is just a lazy re-hash (and maybe even just a copy>paste) of the usual Nazi-sympathizer propaganda we see literally everywhere every time someone is telling Nazis to get lost. This has nothing to do with free speech and has everything to with a man and a movement whose short-term goals are incitement and whose long-term goal is genocide. We know what Nazis have to say. We don’t need a rehash, but if Spencer feels we do then he’s free to use every other venue available to him - which are plenty. It’s perfectly reasonable for a college campus or any other venue to turn down a group, or charge them a security fee whose motive is mass murder and provocation of violence.
Spencer was in the news repeatedly in 2017. There is no “Streisand effect” here other than for hopelessly out-of-touch commenters.
I heard Diane Feinstein speak about free speech on CSPAN. She seems to think that any time thugs threaten violence on campus, administrators should just cancel the event.
That is not an accurate depiction of Feinstein’s position and you’re completely ignoring Spencer’s own role as a provocateur.
ANTIFA is a terrorist group, they are a national threat; why isn’t homeland security neutralizing them, arresting their leaders, arresting anybody who shows up at a speaking event in their “uniform” with a mask, and keeping track of who donates to them as terrorist sympathizers?
Because not a single word you wrote here is true or even remotely connected with reality.
My disappointment with Democrats grows worse.
I’m sure that they will be heartbroken.
You’ve got to wonder what country they grew up in.
Just as we wonder about you.
They’ve demonstrated contempt for free and fair elections, contempt for due process, and contempt for free speech
Re: what I said above about nothing you wrote being true? Case in point…
I’m trying to decide if it’s funny or sad that Nazi’s are upset that their freedumbs aren’t free.
It’s almost a cliche at this point for people who silently sympathize on some level with the white supremacist movement to deny having ever heard of Spencer. No joke I’ve probably seen it at least 2 dozen times elsewhere when discussing this exact topic with conservatives in the past year or so. The old “Never heard of him [Spencer]! But ANTIFA hates free speech guys come on why won’t anybody think about the Nazis!” dodge and weave tactic.
I can suggest a place for Spencer to speak. He won’t need any kind of security either. He can say whatever he dares to say. It just won’t be in a very safe place like a University or anywhere near our children will be.
It’s a cliche at this point that anybody who doesn’t agree with Hillary dead-enders on every point is labeled a “Nazi”. So how would we recognize a real Nazi if one came along?
either that, or just eschew all security costs and let the protestors have at him …
Wow - I hope whomever is paying you is paying you by the word … couldn’t you have added maybe another paragraph or two? I mean, you even missed “Benghazi” and “emails.”
Richard Spencer is a Nazi and should be treated as such. Everything else you posted is just word-salad, obvious and often repeated nonsense that people who sympathize with people like Spencer post. I’ve seen it all and have engaged with it a million times both online and in-person. It’s nothing new and it’s nothing original. It’s verbatim what neo-Nazi sympathizers pump out literally everywhere. You’re posting amateur bullshit from a tired script and I think you know that. You can pretend to be ignorant (like how you falsely claimed you had never heard of Spencer before) all you want but people here don’t fall for the kind of stuff you laid out. It’s been done before by far more eloquent posters, and even they were just half-baked. Lazy concern-trolling is obvious here. Sorry to break that to you.
It’s easy. They try mercilessly to shift the focus to ANTIFA whenever the topic comes up. It’s laughably obvious.
Everybody drink!
Spencer isn’t just a provocateur. He coordinates with groups who engage in violent confrontations outside his events. So although usually pretty strongly on the side of “Yeah, state universities have to host anyone an outside-funded “student” group invites”, in this kind of case we’re essentially looking at a conspiracy.
Spencer has one function in this universe - getting punched in the face. Regularly.
Fuck all Nazis.
Interesting that in a discussion of Richard Spencer, nobody involved in the discussion seemed to know what heretical ideas he has expressed that we are not allowed to hear, or who these people are who don’t want us to hear them. Not a single quote. It’s another “just believe her”. “We” have labeled him bad, just believe us he’s bad and condemn him like “we” do. Nobody asks who the “we” are, or why they should have such power to outlaw certain speakers and unnamed ideas. It’s the attitude of children told “no” by their parents.