Discussion: UNC Says It's 'Caught In The Middle' With Competing Lawsuits Over HB2

The answer is simpleā€“remove all ā€œMenā€ and ā€œWomenā€ signs. Everyone goes where they want, into a stall for privacy, if they want. No one violates the law by being in a forbidden room.

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Bull! Putting out this statement must have come from pressure by the Governorā€™s office to do so. Staying silent would have been a better move since to date no other state has joined in the governorā€™s offer to commit political suicide.

Iā€™m not sure why we need to pay someone over a quarter million dollars a year just to say ā€œI dunno. What would you do?ā€

This article should have mentioned that Spellings has a long history of being very anti-LGBT. She is trying to come off as being moderate but she is not.

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Thereā€™s this thing that we all learn as 1Lā€™s called the Supremacy Clause: (Article VI, Clause 2)ā€¦

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Agreed. Sheā€™s in a pretty tough position, really. She likely wants to follow the NC law because she agrees with it, but risks losing substantial federal money. Itā€™s a lose/lose for her. Sheā€™ll have to fold to the federal law.

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I remember back when UNC presidents werenā€™t Bush II hacks who feigned inability to grasp the Supermacy Clause.

You canā€™t know how horrifying what McCrory and the gerrymandered proudly pro-ignorance Teahadists of the General Assembly have been doing to the UNC system truly is if you arenā€™t familiar with the Universityā€™s role in the stateā€™s economy and history. It fills you with the kind of impotent grief and rage you feel when ignorant Islamic fundamentalists dynamite ancient cultural treasures.

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ā€œThroughout all of this time, the University has recognized that the Act does not address enforcement and therefore has not taken any steps to enforce the statuteā€™s requirements on its campuses.ā€

Most assuredly conservative/Republican students can be counted on to out transgender students using the "wrong" bathroom, and make it known they demand the university enforce state laws. They'll run to Fox News complaining the university isn't enforcing the law otherwise. No self respecting member of the North Carolina Young Republican Club will stand by while transgender students get a free pass on the law. Spelling may not currently be making enforcement a priority, but be assured if the law stands she will be forced into enforcing it. Matt Staver and his wife will descend on her campus and sue her into enforcing it.

My friend attends and he is routinely filled with rage at the whole system for various things. Itā€™s sad.

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Thatā€™s funny. There are other universities in the state, but I donā€™t see any of them struggling to grapple with this issue. Maybe thatā€™s because theyā€™re not run by GWB neocons.

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Spellings should resign in protest.

The quality of a UNC education would nearly double overnight.

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Sounds like the University, a corporate entity with, no doubt, SCOTUS-given speech rights it doesnā€™t want to exercise, is sort of transitional between the two interests, possibly needs its own special lawsuit?

By being in compliance with HB2, the UNC system is not complying with federal anti-discrimination law. Federal law trumps. If Margaret Spellings is unclear regarding the supremacy of federal law, I am sure that there is someone in the history department of one of the UNC schools that would be happy to explain to her that we fought the civil war over this issue and that the Confederacy lost. We are not relitigating the fucking civil war here. All federal monies should be withdrawn from the UNC system until they are in compliance with federal law.

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Yea really, as a UNC system graduate, son of a UNC system graduate, father of a UNC system graduate, father of a current UNC student and father of 2 more kids that will probably soon be UNC system students, itā€™s really amazing to watch fellow citizens in state government destroy the oldest state supported system of colleges and universities that has had a long history of doing, if not perfect, relatively good things for many if not all of itā€™s citizens and improving for over 200 years. Sad to see it taking a step backwards.

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NC is what the power-brokers envisioned when they ā€˜createdā€™ the crisis.

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ALso a UNC-CH grad here but havent lived in NC since 1969. Ive been aware of downward trajectory of the system for a number of years. Needless to say, I make no response to the multitude of $ solicitations. I also happen to be a transwoman from years back, writing this from Pais Vasco de Espana. Ive also traveled in Chile, Hungary, Czech Republic, Germany, Portugal, New Zealand, etc. aand always treated with respect. I would not go to Middle Eastern countries, though, among others, and I now add NC to the latter group.

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ā€œThe University, created by the State of North Carolina, has an obligation to adhere to laws duly enacted by the Stateā€™s General Assembly and Governor. So, too, does the University have an equally clear obligation to follow federal law, including federal prohibitions on discrimination,ā€ Spellings continued in the letter.

There is a third option, and that would be to disobey a law you believe violates Federal Law and the Constitution, and be willing to be punished for doing so.
See, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

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Go into whichever bathroom you want - Yes. Remove the signs and make all bathrooms gender neutral - No. Iā€™m comfortable with a trans woman being in the bathroom with girls, but Iā€™m not comfy with just any dude being in the bathroom with girls. Likewise, trans people are more comfortable being in the bathroom with the gender with which they identify. Otherwise, theyā€™d just keep going into the bathroom that matches their junk and this conversation would never have started.

As a friend of mine said back in the 80ā€™s, when in-state tuition for grad school was in the hundreds rather than many thousands, ā€œthe University of North Carolina is a great and beneficent institution, which I view with gratitude, appreciation, and, above all, irony.ā€

For as long as Iā€™ve been here, and, I gather, for many years before that, the barbarians were always at the Universityā€™s gates, screaming their Jesse Helmsesque loathing for the communists and liberals, the faggot-coddlers and enablers of n****r uppityness, always lookinā€™ down the nose of hardworkinā€™ Bible-believing workinā€™ people with all their airs and ways, and polluting the airwaves of the state with PBS liberalism. And a powerful protective consensus, albeit one among people whose elitism exacerbated the rage, more or less fended them off long enough for it to drag the state forward and away and ahead of the rest of the south, decade after decade. Oh, thereā€™d be a loyalty oath requirement here and a sacrificial victim on the pyre of right wing political correctness there, but by and large, the wall held.

And now, at last, the gates have fallen and the sacking and pillaging and vandalism have begun, made all the worse for its having been so long-thwarted.

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