Discussion: UK Parliament Votes To Delay Brexit By At Least Three Months

“Short cuts make long delays.”
Peregrin Took

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Guess they are finally coming to there senses, hopefully it’s catchy and can happen here…

“Any extension to Brexit has to be approved by all 27 remaining EU countries.

humming Hirooki Goto’s theme

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That’s not quite what the resolution did, but it’s moving in that direction. What was voted on is:

  • Gov’t will seek an extension of the Article 50 deadline from the EU, but then it goes into a jarring, incompletely transitioned apparently conditional subpart that appears to require another run at May’s deal.
  • If May’s plan is approved (she’s going to bring it up again) the extension will be for two months ending on June 30.
  • If May’s plan is not approved, then they would need to seek an extension but the provision warns that they would require a clear purpose for the extension (and would have to participate in the EU elections. Oh the horror!!).

The EU has already indicated that it would want a broad, open ended extension of Article 50, which saps May’s power and the fear factor in the warning of that final clause. May was not in the chamber after the vote but Corbyn was. Corbyn is correct that his Brexit lite options have a better chance of passing than May’s, but May will never allow it to come to a vote because she’d be done as PM. But May’s plan has no chance of passing, and Labour is supportive of an open ended extension, which May is unlikely to be able to oppose unless she’s completely suicidal (which she might be) and goes for a hard Brexit.

But the second she allows for a relatively open ended extension (which the EU is encouraging) she loses power and leverage and it shifts to Corbyn. She might either need to agree to a new referendum or a new election. Either way, the risk of her being taken out in a leadership challenge goes up. If she chooses to let the clock run out and crash the ship into the iceberg, I don’t know if she would survive the next election under a hard Brexit scenario.

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So for a few more months of power she is willing to countenance the destruction of her country? What’s russian for Vidkun?

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She has a destructionist wing of her party. She has fought them but what she has delivered is deeply unpopular because it’s an economic travesty for Britain. She might then decide to captain the hard Brexit wing, hope she can hold on to power and stave off leadership challenges and see the UK through to the ship hitting the iceberg and hope that Corbyn’s unpopularity will allow her to stay in power and win another election when it comes time to do so.

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This does remind me of Boehner and Paul Ryan trying to manage the Freedumb Caucus. Can’t say I’m sorry.

And submarines built out of cheese are just not a good idea. I don’t care what anyone says.

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In three months, we’ll just dance this stupid dance again. Nothing seems likely to change the fundamentals of the matter: no deal which is acceptable to the EU is anywhere near as good for the British as the status quo, a no-deal exit is apocalyptic, and May has sworn to deliver her cheese submarine come hell or high water.

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Which illuminates the whole absurdity of this. The proponents of Brexit argued, and still argue that the entire purpose was for Britons to retake control of their country. But now, complete control of the future of the U.K. rests in the hands of the European Union.

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I have a feeling that if there is an Article 50 extension, May is done and despite how crappy he is, Corbyn will get his shot. That’s why I fear the risk of May ramming the ship into the iceberg and forcing a no deal Brexit is higher than people think. She wants power. She wants to be PM. If she can’t deliver on Brexit there is no rationale for her to continue, unless they can drum up fear that she’s the only one who can stop Corbyn from becoming PM. I just don’t think working class Britain would be opposed to Corbyn after a spectacular failure by May. No leader or majority party loses votes like she does. No one.

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Any extension to Brexit has to be approved by all 27 remaining EU countries.

If I was Italy or Greece, my vote would be for sale. If I was France I would vote no, tired of them Brexitards.

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They are not going to get their shit together in 3 months LOL

Since it was a non binding referendum,advisory only,and it was barely sold to the public based on what are now known to be lies,there is one other obvious option. Just forget about this whole misguided episode and start governing the country.

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There should be a second referendum on BREXIT. The first one was voted upon in a carnival-like atmosphere of mis-information, posturing and symbolic votes.

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We don’t need them bloody Euro bureaucrats to tell us what we can do, OK?!

(Until we need them to tell us what we can do).

They should just withdraw their notification and get on with it. None of this delay crap. Also, three months and no elections, and no, the EU won’t want them.

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And panic! 3 million people who never voted rushed to the polls to stave off the impending ISIS invasion. Even if the UK was a party to the 1957 Treaty of Rome that launched the EU, many of these agitated voters still did not know what the EU was in June 2016.

Three months will not provide much time for students in university or pensioners living in southern Europe to get out of the way from the effects of Brexit. Moreover, it is unclear what political work is left to pull the plug. The UK is still going down a drain that will suck aways 10 % of GDP annually over the near and medium term. Maybe this break is how parliament eventually gets to a second referendum.

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They don’t need a second referendum. Referendum has no legal force.

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I had an unhealthy fascination watching this play out. However, could not have explained it better. If one watched any of it, easy to understand why they did this. Best option out of several disastrous options.

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