Yes. It was in Texas and the organizer’s threats to sue.
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I think a recent story on this issue said the group was required to pay in advance for security.
Requiring a multi-million insurance policy or bond, however, might be deemed an undue burden on First Amendment rights.
Sorry everybody. Mea culpa. I should have done some research before I commented.
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Who OK’ed the town of Garland to have the event?
In light of events perhaps the cost of security and policing was more than what the organizers paid. If monster truck rallies and marathons are required to get insurance, why should not this event?
He should bring up charges on her for intentionally putting the people of his city in danger of losing their lives.
So basically he doesn’t object to the event, just that it took place in his city.
But my point was that they were required to pay, to offset the cost of security.
But if they were asked to submit an exorbitant amount in advance, it could be argued that the fee posed an undue burden on their rights.
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If they are required to post a cash bond, any unused money is returned. If they are required to buy insurance, “the market” determines the risk and prices accordingly.
Neither of those are fees. A fee would be basic building rental, permit costs for processing, etc. It is wrong and improper to charge different groups different fees for the same building rental. It is not wrong to make each group pay for additional cost incurred, or protect the city from the potential of additional costs.
I agree that groups are routinely asked to pay fees or bonds to ensure cleanup, police presence, etc. Sometimes, groups are also asked to submit a traffic plan and/or a security plan to ensure no undue impact to surrounding areas and to ensure an adequate police or security presence.
And Geller’s group did pay a fee. But if you ask them to pay millions of dollars in advance it could be argued that the fee is prohibitive and designed to prevent them from holding the event.
I don’t think we are disagreeing here. My only point is where do you set the fee? A reasonable fee that is just enough to cover anticipated costs is OK. An excessive fee that is designed to be prohibitive raises questions of an undue burden on First Amendment rights.
We are pretty much agreeing.
And thanks to these two idiots from Arizona we have a rough idea of how much bond or insurance is needed. Tally up the cost of all law enforcement, local, state and federal spent on this event. And say the next one must have bond or insurance of at least that amount.
I only hope that Muslims exercise restraint over these events, which are clearly provocative in nature and intended to portray all Muslims as prone to violence.
It’s only prior restraint that’s forbidden absolutely.
By Texas law, if she was attempting to cause an assault, and the assault led to death, she’s guilty of murder. But of course no prosecutor or grand juror would act on that. It’s almost a law school hypothetical; make a good exam question. Not really applicable in the real world.
OK then, the art exhibit did not invite the attack. Have it your way.
Mayor Douglas Athas is missing the fact that if we give in to violence or the threat of violence then it leads to more demands. Now everyone knows how to get Mayor Douglas Athas to do something or get him to stop doing something.
My problem with all this is, despite whatever Geller’s motives were, we are saying that we must carve out an area of free speech because, after all, these Islamic extremists are [to use a favorite term of the left] plain bat-shit crazy, and we better not provoke them, and if we do it’s our fault. No, their extremism is entirely their fault.
I’m not recommending you look at her website because it’s vile but if you do, you’ll read the words of encouragement from Steve King who sends a big fat xenophobic kiss.
Google “fighting words”. These repig creeps pick fights and have others do the combat on other people’s property.
Pammie should hold these things in her own yard.
I wish they would…the thing is, they’re all too cowardly to actually fight what they incite.