Discussion: Trump Swats At Paul Ryan, GOP Leadership At Pennsylvania Rally

Yes, and I think Hillary is fully prepared to do that.

Sounds like he is who he is. I noted that he said, “if I win.” I’ve run for state office. You never say “If I win,” you always say “When I win.” Or “When we sin,” because you’re talking to supporters. It reminds us that for all of his bombast, he’s fresh fish, a real amateur in the political arena. They wanted an outsider, they got an outsider. I’m not cheering at the crestfallen Republicans. I think it’s sad and not good for the country.

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There is nothing more repulsive than waking up each and every morning, looking at the election maps, and realizing that yes I am a blue dot in big old fucking red state. Sometimes coffee is not enough.

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I think so, and the Democratic Party would like to address some of their problems, and has, but not very effectively so far. We especially fail in just facing up to the concerns of workers and admit openly that there are problems. Trump isn’t going to address their problems either, but he says that he will. Until we understand and talk to the frustrations of working class America, they are going to look elsewhere. And elsewhere this year looks like a large, orange, dude.

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So that photo shows we’re back to the Trump NAMBLA whisperings again.

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The most important post of the week is yours here.

The dangers of a Trump Presidency (in any circumstance) cannot be overstated.

The most dangerous people in the United States are those who have the ability to vote for Hillary Clinton and do not. THIS IS NO FUCKING GAME

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I’m not convinced that economic concerns really drive support for Trump. For some, sure. But his appeal is cultural more than economic. He is a big middle finger to “the Establishment” that has ratified the leftward cultural shift in America since the 1960s.

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I was really interested in the demographic analysis of Trump voters, in terms of lifetime mobility. Those who have not moved from their home towns are much more likely to vote for Trump. This tells me that the divide isn’t right/left so much as fear of change in general.

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Just like President Obama, Hillary has been and is willing to address the issues of these people, but it takes two to have a conversation.

Until the GOP lays down its arms and stops this jihad against Democrats and the government, not much will be accomplished by Hillary reaching across the aisle.

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Well, just remember it is better than in the early and mid 80s.

Favorite tweet so far today: :smile:

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/785814731797958656?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Still! Don’t be complacent…VOTE!

I have seen a number of reports that the Trump Campaign knows the end is near and now are concentrating on how to ‘fleece the faithful flock’ after the election. They intend to turn all that mindless rage, fear and hate that has solidified 30%+ of the GOP to Trump into a money making machine. They don’t care at all what damage they do to their nominal party or to the fabric of the nation. It’s a predictable path for the ‘Trump & Ailes’ way to monetary if not a political victory.
You can expect a Rage&Hate channel and all its cyber appendages to emerge that could easily dwarf the radio-ragers and rival FOX Spews for rightie craziness.

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Has there been much research in the way of finding an effective method in how to reach these people? I agree with your point, but I feel like it’s such an uphill battle in reaching out to them. Any effective messaging would need to undue 2 decades of almost unfiltered propaganda that’s almost impossible to combat. They’ve been conditioned to believe that liberals and/or Democrats are their enemies, the media cannot be trusted unless it’s telling them exactly what they want to hear, and that their guns and way of life is perpetually under siege from some nefarious group of people that actually just want affordable healthcare and affordable education. We’re not political opponents to them, but absolute enemies of the country they believe was promised to them. Talk of violent revolution is common at Trump rallies, and just looking like you’re not one of them can make you subject to death threats. Sadly, I feel like you can only get so far with some of these people before you’ve put too much energy into it that could have been used elsewhere. Maybe I’m wrong, but I think that at this point that anybody still all in for Trump is beyond help. They’re cult followers at this point.

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I’m in HouTX.
And it doesn’t dampen my enthusiasm–
which has survived for decades–
mostly on the knowledge that we (D)s are the good guys.

Have another cup. :sunglasses:

jw1

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Holy shit a George Will opinion that I actually agree with. The globe may be getting warm, but I think Hell must be cooling off! Has he been writing these kind lately? I might have to start skimming them…ha ha ha jk!

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I call nonsense on that line of thinking. The data breakdown on Trump supporters has long ago dispelled the myth that they are supporting Trump out of “economic anxiety”. The median salary of working Trump supporters is $70,000. I say working, because a signficant slice of his supporters are retired. These are not people who are not sharing the “concerns of the working class”. That was a bullshit meme that the media, largely being fed from the right, attempted to hoist on America during the primaries.

Apparently a number of people on the Left took that bait and swallowed it whole. Or they simply want an excuse to whine about Democrats not helping the working class wit things like…Social Security, Affordable Health Care, and working on things like raising the minimum wage, paid family leave, expanding health care coverage, affordable college education and reducing student debt.

But it is true that Democrats have fallen down on the cries from the working class to have a magical unicorn in every yard…or was that cries from the Bernie or busters?

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Well, there are a lot of folks out there who are uneducated and shop at Walmart. I dont think they meet the median 70k that Trump supporters supposedly make and they aint voting Dem, at least not here in Texas.

Yes that second cup is starting to perk me up, thanx :yum:

After spending the last 3 days registering people at a Sam’s Club, I feel pretty confident in saying that even those that aren’t making $70,000 have zero interest in any “worker class concerns”. They are still mad that a black man was President and they cannot abide the notion of a woman being President.

I worked one day with an older black gentleman, who tells a story about what Blacks had to deal with in the military in the 50s and 60s, and how his family was the first black family in a white neighborhood when he bought his first house…every night for weeks they windows were broken out by rocks. We had one of these Trump supporters come on and have the audacity to start telling him how much better things were in the 50s, in every way…and he should know because he was older like she was.

No, its not declining wages or fear of losing jobs that is driving Trump supporters. Its far more base, primal and deplorable.

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It’s about the economy only peripherally. It’s about losing your place in a society that you thought you controlled. And it’s not 2 decades: it started in 65 with the Civil Rights Act.

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Cute kid. What a shame it is that he’s probably being groomed for life in the basket of deplorables.

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