Discussion: Trump, Still Railing Against Media, Says NYT's 'Intent Is So Evil And So Bad'

To (slightly mis)quote Michael Biehn in Terminator, “It’s what he does! It’s all he does, and he will never stop! Never!”

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They will get him in the end but I do wonder what investigative reporters for the NYT and the WaPo are doing every day. OK maybe they can’t get any further information for now on the multiple contacts between the Trump campaign and the Russians during the campaign. But Trump has stated categorically that he has no dealings whatsoever with Russia. Yet every non-mainstream account I read says that Trump has had dealings with Russian mobsters for 30 years (after all how did he end up with all his Russian-related advisers?). Surely it would be possible to do a story or two and expose some of those connections. It’s very hard to believe Trump has 30 years messing around in Russia and the only thing to show for it is a beauty pageant.

And what about his failed casinos? I have read in a number of sources that their failure was intentional and that they were a means of laundering Russian money. Is it impossible for reporters to investigate those stories?

Meanwhile Louise Mensch may be a little nutty but she is doing very detailed investigative work on the whereabouts of Michael Cohen during the time Steele placed him in Prague. (Steele described him as an intermediary between the Russians and Trump and what do we find him doing recently with his “peace plan”? Acting as intermediary! Either Steele is psychic or that is another part of his dossier that checks out.) It is amazing the press did not follow up on Cohen’s denials back in December and accepted the story that there was “another Michael Cohen” in Prague at the time. (That settles it? There can’t be more than one person in a city with the same name at any given time??) Anyway if Mensch can do this kind of work all on her own surely some professional reporters can as well.

Whatever their intent, Trump should be very thankful that the press has done so little to investigate his shady past. They’ve certainly reported some damaging information, but that has largely been the result of that being handed to them by the IC. How about some more in-depth investigative reporting?

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That man will always be a brash, boorish bridge and tunnel person from Queens who desperately wants the acceptance and imprimatur of the Manhattan establishment. Couldn’t buy it and now being President is not enough either.

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I have to wonder what he’s so fucking scared the NYT’s going to print that he’s accusing them of being a Nasty Newspaper.

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Its that first wound…and I suspect its already occurred and its name was Flynn.

What has broken loose since then would be the end of any other administration already…lies about pre-election contacts, attempting to subvert FBI investigations, co-opting the heads of the intelligence committees in Congress to supress/push back on these stories…and the President’s personal attorney and long time campaign chair involved…DEEPLY…with giving a Russian devised/backed “peace” plan to Flynn personally.

They are bleeding already. At some point however, the bleeding becomes so bad that they are unable to toss out the shiny baubles to distract the press.

(And yes, its pretty amazing given how Spicer and the whole Administration has trashed their reputation and attacked the press that the press bites on any distractions now…but they do).

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No truth that Baquet means “horned one” in Alt-Hungarian, no truth whatsoever.

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He just called the NYT and it’s “intent” EVIL?

Anyone got a guess on how many Jewish cemeteries he just destroyed?

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I hate to go on about this, but again I have to question that assumption. There’s a ton of documentation on the record about Trump’s misdeeds and shady ventures going back decades. It wasn’t the IC that told the press he’d taken his chronically ill nephew’s son’s health insurance away in a fit of pique at being sued over his father’s will. It wasn’t the IC that told the media about how he stiffed his contractors over the years. Or tried to skate away from promising the veterans a million bucks. Or any of the rest of it. What the media developed on its own is poisonous enough to have killed a hundred Gary Harts if we were back in the Eighties. Currently the Republicans think Trump is more credible than the media, by a large percentage. We have an epistemic divide now that all those scandals can’t surmount. You can blame the media for much, but there’s no lack of media-reported negative information about Trump. That’s just not the problem, it’s not a charge you can make stick. It’s the hypocrisy in the right-wing media and GOP politicians coupled with ignorance and denial among the GOP voters. It’s made him immune to ordinary scandals, immune to the obvious unfitness, made it possible to wave away all his horrible acts and qualities. The negative stuff is there and it was always there.

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Why can’t he just cancel his subscription like a normal person? Dude’s a broken record.

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[quote=“antisachetdethe, post:23, topic:52235”]
who desperately wants the acceptance and imprimatur of the Manhattan establishment. Couldn’t buy it and now being President is not enough either.
[/quote]Maybe the Times will write a nice obit, and the elite of Manhattan will all chip in to send flowers.

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Presumably, the NYT and WaPo are investigating such things, but they won’t publish anything unless it is thoroughly well sourced and they’re willing to stand behind it 100 percent. These things take time.

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I guess the only question is how much is going to be too much? How much can they take before his supporters say enough? They may never turn on him.

That won’t matter if we can get the majority back.

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You’re right–I wasn’t specific enough in my claim. I am not suggesting that the press didn’t expose anything on Trump’s past (David Fahrenthold in particular did some great investigative reporting along those lines). I meant specifically on Russia. That is the issue that will take him down–not just random bad things from his past. Trump said he has nothing whatsoever to do with Russia–not even any phone calls there for 10 years. That’s insane! (He did the beauty pageant there 4 years ago.) Just building on the work of other non-mainstream journalists it would be relatively easy to write a story showing his decades-long involvement with Russia. That by itself might not bring him down but it builds the foundation for the charges that will stick.

After all, he didn’t start colluding with Russia out of the blue. But there has been little to nothing that I’ve seen in the Times or the WaPo about his long history with the country.

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As long as the funeral is out of city and won’t mess up traffic.

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Red Robin has unlimited fries.

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I shudder to think what the Republican party will look like in 2-4 years. But, I’m betting It will be older, whiter, more authoritarian, more grievance ridden and even less willing to accept views outside their network of false narratives and myths. As a nation, we are not o.k. Conceivably, Democrats could make large gains in 2018, but even if they did, it would not change the fact that one of two major political parties and millions of voters are snarling and snapping from their den in misdirected rage and discontent.

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Note that Wapo, CNN and Newsweek have done the most damaging reporting. Like all cowardly bullies, he’s picking on the one he deems weakest.

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Call me cynical, but I think he may have stock in the NYT.

Their subscriptions have gone through the roof, largely due to Trump. He does have that reptilian brain…

Every time he attacks them, people who believe in a free press want to support them. Sneaky way to make money.

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I love it when the wolves are the good guys.

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