Discussion: Trump Issues Full Pardons To Oregon Ranchers Caught Up In Bundy Showdown

Refresh your memory about this on Wikipedia. Your outrage will not be complete without the details.

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Yep, because billionaires. This shit goes on constantly, but the overlords are ā€˜private’ citizens who should be able to carry out their affairs/corruption/graft out of the public eye. Granted, they also have plebes only too willing to fall on their swords for another lick at the boot.

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Don’t bet the farm on that.

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Just dipped into the right wing fever swamps, and see they are fighting each other over whether Kavanaugh is far right enough. My guess is Miller issued the pardon to throw red meat into the swamps.

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Agree, except he’s not ā€œbumbling.ā€ As @wintermoon said:

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I would not bet a postage stamp on it.

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Er … That ā€œNothing we can doā€ was not meant to be taken literally.

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Stealing…

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a Coup D’etait has occurred and our Elite Progressives are not reacting. Next. Americans will be poisoned with nerve gas. They are out in the open now. anti American. anti democracy

He has a special affinity for those lawless ā€œDeplorablesā€. Keep in mind, it is the Honduran moms seeking asylum that are the real criminals and threat to us. :cold_sweat:

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I’m not being one fucking bit facetious. Les Moonves—pfft. Everyone did the necessary backflips about that long ago. The ā€œmediaā€ are all businesses that have a fiduciary responsibility to give people what they fucking want. People wanted to see what Trump said, not what Marco or Jeb said. But to make the leap that ā€œthe media is (mostly) complicitā€ doesn’t follow. The media are, because that’s the verb and it makes a difference, willingly going along with the damage Trump is causing? I fucking want you and everyone else who says that bullshit to prove that ā€œmostlyā€ or knock it the fuck off. I’m getting good and sick of it. For my part I could show you scores and scores of people fighting this thing with dogged persistence and skill. I could show you Trump railing against the media, saying don’t believe them. Why the fuck is he doing that? Doesn’t that complicate your argument just a bit? I could show you Katy Tur being escorted out of a rally by the Secret Service so the howling mob doesn’t attack her. I need hardly mention the people in Annapolis gunned down for doing their jobs for which they were paid like $24K a year if they were lucky. I AM FUCKING SICK OF THIS SHIT. So yeah, I’m not being facetious.

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This is also his way of gutting the Antiquities Act and reducing the scope of the Bureau of land management. Another example of him having no regard for the laws, culture and history of our country.

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These pardons were timed perfectly to mollify the people who don’t think Kavanaugh is hateful enough.

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These people were not pillars of their community and they got pardons.

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Can’t. Comity is paramount.

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Seems like the White Power presidency is still exceeding all expectations! The ā€œgood peopleā€ on ā€œboth sidesā€ are facing different outcomes . . . and yet still we ā€œwonderā€ what is going on when it could not be more plain.

The U S of A has been hijacked by folks who only care for pale faces and big wallets.

God bless AmeriKKKa indeed. . . and yet here in TN there are ads running daily with candidates who support Trump and
want to help him build the wall.

Seems like the corporate media model really did fail big time . . . emails versus Russian collusion . . . and still we ā€œwonderā€ . . . hmmm

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To Hague with ā€œSlobo-Donā€

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Indeed it is Donny. Indeed it is. Remember you said that when bill collector comes to get his due,

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I seldom, if ever, hear a major news anchor look into the camera and proclaim ā€œPresident Trump is a sick man. If he’s speaking the odds are he’s lying. He’s a sociopath, a malignant narcissist and should be under the care of a mental health professional.ā€

Every word in that sentence is true. The media putatively exists to inform the public of truths they haven’t the time, connections, resources or inclination to ferret out on their own.

The media, while not proactively ignoring the danger of Trump, passively and negilgently does a damn miserable job of speaking truth to power. NBC, CBS and ABC don’t avoid labeling Trump for what he is, starkly and unambiguously, out of any sense of journalisitc propriety. They abstain from doing it for fear of alienating some of their audience and sponsers. They aren’t motivated by seeking and speaking truths. They’re motivated by ratings and money.

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This act from the president should be seen as a slap in the face for most of us. The dispute, as these rancher cases in the West have been, was about access to wetlands on the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, a long-protected site in the Pacific flyway. Cattle are an invasive species that allow for extraction of vegetation to be converted into money. Not beautiful, but extractive industries are sort of the first step in organizing civilization. Nowadays we may place a higher value on the land than its extraction value, and as a society we decided that some of our high-value habitat lands have to be preserved for the animals and plants survival. Again, a step needed in organizing civilization. The Hammonds relied on ā€œnaturalā€ law, sovereign citizenship and other kooky notions to justify their selfish behavior. Guess what? A lot of Americans would like to indulge their selfish behaviors. It did, after all, create many of the great fortunes in the 19th and early 20th century. This really is the ā€œboundless solipsismā€ that Madeleine Albright identified was the hallmark of emerging fascism.

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