Discussion: Trump Is Fumbling The GOP's Usual Voter Fraud Script–But Still Fueling That Fire

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Drumpf is fumbling, bumbling Putin boy toy…

Enough said…

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From 538 : (If the election were held today)
Hillary 92.9%
Trump 7.1%

They do have Georgia and Arizona turning blue though.

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If the oligarchy can get the unwashed proletariat believing elections are rigged it makes it that much easier for them to dominate and CONTROL.

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This is slightly off-topic insofar as it deals with Trumpism and Trumpshit crazy in general, as opposed to the specific topic of voter fraud. The first item is a link I posted late in a previous thread. The “Trump as Bullshit Artist” meme is starting to have legs. Zakaria uses Prof. Harry Frankfurts’s “On Bullshit” extensively and expands upon his recent comment on CNN. Mrs. Von Holst read it to me this morning. It’s worth reading.

Those of us who have read Frankfurt knew this long ago, but, better late than never.

Then, here’s a note from Larry Sabato in Sabato’s Crystal Ball. The prediction here is that Hillary will get 347 EV. And this has been a pretty much static result from their model. Again, barring that meteor strike or Assange leaking a memo from Hillary to “MyGigolo.com” soliciting “companionship”, Trump is dead, but doesn’t have the sense to lie down.

The news media are obsessed with daily, or hourly, “game changers.” That is understandable, since their businesses depend on “breaking news” eyeballs and clicks from people convinced that absolutely everything matters.

[Lookin’ at you TPM]

The Crystal Ball is of the opposite view. Most things really don’t matter, or they just reinforce the fundamentals and partisanship already in place. And that, dear readers, is why you keep on seeing variations of the same old map on our site. We’re not always a one-note samba, yet sometimes it’s the best song to sing, especially if Frank Sinatra recorded it.

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/

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And once again Mr Orange Carrot is dangling something and the media is all over it.
Why do people take this con man seriously? He’s shown time and time again that he is a bald-faced liar.
He could say the sky is green with purple polka dots and the media will dutifully investigate the claim.

I can’t wait for this election to be over but with the crazy that Trump has unleashed I can’t help but wonder who or what Republican will be nominated next election cyle. Because…wow.

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I want you to remember this article from Sabato when he changes his map, in particularly when he moves Georgia from leaning R to leaning D and likewise with Arizona.

His point of view is “conventional wisdom”, which in a conventional campaign, I would happily agree with. But this isn’t a conventional campaign by any shape or measure.

These “obsessions” of the news media are not “game changers” per say, as Mark Halperin likes to define them. But they are having a corrosive effect that IS changing the numbers.

Any one of these events could probably be dealt with over the length of the campaign. But starting with the news conference on him not actually paying the money raised to veterans groups (and that WAS the breaking point, for a number of reasons), its been a non stop deluge of really bad stuff from him and his campaign. To the point that even if he stopped saying stupid stuff (which he won’t), the campaign would be a defensive crouch for rest of the election just trying to clear the plate of all those issues.

And you can’t win if you are defending.

The phrase shouldn’t be game changer for this election, it should be color changer. Talk to someone who is actually undecided and just start running through the litany of insanity that Trump has spewed…they turn white with fear and panic…then red with anger…then green with sickness. All the while, Trump is changing states on the electoral map from red to blue.

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I always wondered why some radical conservative activist didn’t “prove” how easy it was to commit voter fraud by voting a dozen times in some local election. You wouldn’t even have to martyr yourself–just do it, and then send an anonymous letter to the local paper saying that you voted fraudulently under the following names. It’d be easy to verify with the voters in question that they either didn’t vote, or found they’d been listed as already voting when they got to the polls.

Oh wait, the reason nobody does this is because nobody thinks the pretty substantial risk of years in jail is worth a 0.01% chance of casting the deciding vote for some county commissioner somewhere.

Still, as always, PLEASE prove me wrong, guys. James O’Keefe, this sounds like it’s right up your alley!

EDIT: I wrote that part about O’Keefe before I saw today’s story about him doing a half-assed version of this, where he dances right up to committing the fraud (and apparently gets caught anyway). Jimmy, I meant do it with your WHOLE ass. Otherwise what’s the point?

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No, Darn Old Trump, voter fraud and stealing elections is the proud work of the GOP. Diebold and its CEO, Wally O’Dell, made sure the 2004 election was stolen in Ohio. Voter fraud is nearly entirely a thing of the GOP. Used on a massive scale, it indeed can sway elections and destroy voter confidence. If Trump wins, we can all know without doubt that the GOP stole another one.

His whole speech yesterday was a lot of bogus bullshit about Hillary and Obama. And then he’d make a lot of bogus shit up about how bad this that or the other thing was and then just, “we’re going to fix that”. No explanation of how, just, we’re going to fix that. And his followers loved it.

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I know, and that is what counted as being “on message” to the media.

They know it well from their days as Jim Crow Democrats.

This is actually a time when such speculation is probably a complete waste of time. My guess is, that after the Trump defeat in November, the GOP is going to go through some very painful changes over the following 4 years.

They are mortally splintered right now…no longer just a schism between two camps…the underlying bonds have fallen apart and they are splitting away into many factions. Factions that all seem to hold to a “my way or the highway” mentality. A national party cannot continue to limp along with that sort of massive division.

The establishment is incredibly weak at this point, Their candidates only won a single state in the primaries. The Trumpers have introduced a level of nihilism that scares even the Tea Party people, and they pretty thoroughly trounced the Tea Party candidate, Ted Cruz. The party is quite literally being gutted by its own members right now…GOPers running ads AGAINST the top candidate, and more importantly, numerous candidates are afraid to go against a man who, quite frankly isn’t a conservative, for fear of backlash from his supporters. So they are at least tacitly endorsing a non conservative who is spending more time tearing down their own party than he is attacking Dems.

They will be hitting all time lows with minority demographics this election. They will probably hit all time lows with women, the biggest demographic out there. They are even losing numbers with their preferred demographic right now…white males.

They will lose the White House. They will almost certainly become the minority party in the Senate. And they will lose numbers in the House, where they have perhaps the most ineffectual Speaker in modern times. They are about to lose the majority on the SCOTUS. That sets up a scenario where they are going to be facing policy loss after loss for at least 2 years.

I cannot say how they will change with any certainty, but the GOP in 2020 will look nothing like the GOP today or even the GOP of 2010. Because today’s part will dissolve into complete irrelevance after Trump, and a two party system cannot function with only one party…nature abhors a vacuum and something WILL emerge to fill it.

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But if you think he’s dumb, listen to his followers!

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Thanks, Obama!

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They’ve tried. In at least the last 3 elections we have had some GOPers get nailed for doing precisely that and claim there were only proving that it could be done.

Does Trump, or his supporters, realize the majority of state governments are controlled by Republicans?

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“And I helped!” — Ken Blackwell

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It really will be one of his more lasting legacies in the history books I believe. He drove the GOP so completely off the rails insane, that they dissolved as a party.

And while one might argue that they are indeed still a major party (and quite correctly), conservatism as an ideology is dead. Its been limping for awhile now, but with the advent of “Just say No” activism to any and every thing Obama and Democratic…it finally gave up the ghost.

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Right on. Trump convinced the rank/file base that political correctness is a YUUGE sign of weakness. He essentially gave permission to bring the GOP bigotry, misogyny, homophobia, xenophobia, racism, etc right out in the open. Of course, it was always there, but GOP leaders became skilled at dog-whistling everything in a carefully crafted lexicon. Trump crashed the soiree, took a dump in the punch bowl and mooned the guests. The crowd cheered!!! Now, the GOP is left exposed and vulnerable (it’s about time) to the point of no return. Trump did the nation a weird favor by being such a total miscreant; it took a super-nova a-hole like Trump to finally prove to the world what the GOP really stands for. Thanks, Donnie, we couldn’t have done it without you.

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