It really is a highly recommended book - we had just read a biography of Augustus and some other books about Rome so we put that one aside for awhile.
It’s big alright.
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First of all I thought immigration had fallen off to the point where we were at net zero immigration. But mainly, as everyone else has noted - you don’t immigrate and 5 minutes later get to vote.
That’s so absurd that I cannot believe anyone believes it.
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I’ve been on the fence on this one.
An Amazon review excerpt…
But it’s DRY. Oh Lord, is it SO dry.
His constant efforts to undermine the election by planting seeds of doubt is part of his threat and ensures that even if he loses, we will not be done with Trump.
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On the better than Ambien scale, where is it? OTOH, I can always return it if I find I’m sleeping through it.
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Lemmetellya.
Was in a doctor’s office yesterday-- and among a group of WASP seniors-- I heard the most outrageous mountain of sh^t being spoken-- with Facebook as the accepted source of fact. Now, I considered speaking up. But honestly, there was no way to sway the limited number of brain cells in the conversation-- within the allotted time.
(Plus I didn’t want anyone to suffer a coronary waiting to see a Rheumatologist.)
The saving grace? No one could see themselves voting for Trump (or Satan HRC!)
The plotline from Idiocracy was a step up from what I witnessed for almost 20 minutes yesterday.
jw1
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And that’s the part the unwashed will never understand - how their produce, for instance, is so inexpensive when farms pay the laborers less than minimum wage. They will never understand it, because it doesn’t fit their narrative. Oh, and no, they wouldn’t be interested in doing that work to replace the undocumented worker. Never.
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Gee, why would we want people who have qualified as citizens to be able to vote?
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I haven’t made the plunge yet. The same reviewer I quoted seemed to like the book, but most of my reading is in bed, so 600+ pages of a snoozer would take a long time to finish…
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This is so ridiculous. The only way a person crossing the border and voting, is for him/her to be an American citizen living or traveling abroad. This is not ignorance. This is stirring the pot to create chaos. This is deligitimazing minorities’s votes.
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Let me add one more thing: So it takes up to five years minimum from LPR to naturalization. Reaching LPR from non-immigrant resident statuses can take much longer in the first place, however.
So for example, suppose you are a US citizen and want to sponsor your unmarried kids’ green cards. If they are Mexicans, one of the groups Trump implicitly and explicitly refers to when he utters “immigrants,” how long the wait for them? The National Visa Center is currently processing their applications dated April 1995.
For some groups the wait is shorter, but they still go through strict vetting to become an LPR.
There is no “pour into the country to vote” thing. There are annual limits to the number of visas issued set by law. And once you become a green card holder, you have years before you become eligible for naturalization.
ETA: Here’s the link to Visa Bulletin.
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Orange ass, STOP LYING!!!
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Yeah, I’m in bed too, and I’m about to embark on an FDR bio about his last months in office and what he accomplished though he was dying.
But it’s a safe bet were all non-citizens that were unable to legally work here suddenly deported the U.S. crop harvesting/hospitality/resort/hotel/tourism/golf course industry would collapse within a month.
Already happened. See Georgia 2011, peach crop.
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That puts an inaccurate gloss on the motivations for many business owner’s reasons in hiring undocumented workers. Citizens often cannot be found to perform needed work AT ANY WAGE.
To forgo a repeat of last year, when labor shortages triggered an estimated $140 million in agricultural losses, as crops rotted in the fields, officials in Georgia are now dispatching prisoners to the state’s farms to help harvest fruit and vegetables.
The labor shortages, which also have affected the hotel and restaurant industries, are a consequence of Georgia’s immigration enforcement law, HB 87, which was passed last year. As State Rep. Matt Ramsey, one of the bill’s authors, said at the time, “Our goal is … to eliminate incentives for illegal aliens to cross into our state.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/05/17/the-law-of-unintended-consequences-georgias-immigration-law-backfires/#be4623f404a6
The economics here aren’t particularly complicated, and I’m sure they won’t be new to the sophisticated readers of the Atlantic, but they are useful to look at and consider explicitly when thinking about issues like this.
It goes like this. If you’re not going to let illegal immigrants do the jobs they are currently being hired to do, then farmers will have to raise wages to replace them. Since farmers are taking a risk in hiring immigrant workers, you can bet they were getting a significant deal on wage costs relative to “market wages”. I put market wages here in quotations, because it’s quite possible that the wages required to get workers to do the job are so high that it’s no longer profitable for farmers to plant the crops in the first place. The simple labor market supply and demand curves below illustrate exactly what I’m talking about.
All of this is to say if you’re going to stop illegal immigrants from doing a job you should be prepared for the job, and perhaps even the business itself, to go away. You may think this is worth it, but you should at least be acknowledging the risks and weigh them against what, if anything, you think is being gained.
Farmers in both Georgia and Alabama attempted in vain to recruit citizen workers to replace immigrants chased from their fields by harsh State immigration work laws. Invariably nearly all of them abandoned the work within days (sometimes within hours), loudly wondering how in the hell someone performed such arduous, grueling work for weeks or months at a time. They couldn't cut it. When I hear people bitch about Mexicans taking jobs from citizens I have to chuckle. Yeah, as if you want to stoop over at the waist in the hot sun for 12 hours a day picking lettuce in a field. Or climb around on a hot roof nailing shingles all day in the hot sun. Give me a break and STFU.
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Hey - I just asked Mr Tena about the book - he did read it. I had forgotten that he did. He read it pretty quick and said it was an easy read. He liked it.
Sorry guys - I totally forgot that he had read it last January.
yeah wasn’t his granddaddy kicked out of Germany…???
Cueto said that “they’re checking the records, they’re noticing that they have criminal records but they’re setting them aside because at this point, they’re saying immigration is so tied up with trying to get people that are on the waiting list — hurry up and get them, their immigration status corrected, make them citizens," according to Vitali.
Graduate of Trump U.
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As a full-time practicing immigration lawyer, I really have to respond to this outrageous lie. It is absolutely the worst kind of baseless demagoguery. I have represented immigration clients since 2002. I have personally encountered only one who was a permanent resident who (mistakenly) voted in a US election. And he was honest enough to say so in his naturalization proceedings, because he wanted to tell the truth.
Anybody with the slightest knowledge of immigration law knows that any foreign citizen who falsely represents that they are a US citizen or votes in an election is subject to the “kiss of death” penalty of losing all benefits under the Immigration and Nationality Act. It is a huge deterrent for immigrants seeking legal status here.
I can also say that in all my years practicing immigration law I have never encountered an undocumented (without legal status) client who attempted to vote in a US election. I represent dozens of undocumented individuals in this country, many of whom have fled to the United States seeking refuge from endemic violence in their home countries or persecution which may entitle them to claim asylum. Not one, and I want to emphasize this, not one of them ever entered the United States to vote in a US election. Furthermore, to claim that the US Government is actively supporting such lawlessness is, well, words fail me.
Trump’s statement is the worst kind of demagoguery. And you can write off Mr.Del Cueto, the border patrol union official, as the worst kind of lying, right wing meathead. The guy has to know that what he is saying is a lie.
You know, it’s one thing to have a healthy debate about immigration policy in this country. It’s another to stoop to gross misrepresentations of fact to stroke fear and rage. It’s one more reason why any thinking person has to conclude that Trump is morally unfit to run for president of the United States.
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when you think this asshole cant get any lower …he drops farther down that rabbit hole,
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