In a two-person competitive race, your vote for Jill Stein or write in for Bernie will, mathematically speaking, be the same thing as casting a vote for Trump. It means a vote for Trump that otherwise would have been cancelled out by your vote goes uncancelled, without affecting the net difference between Trump and Clinton which is the only, repeat only, number that matters in the race.
And, for fuck’s sake, your fantasy about keeping both of them out of the White House means the presidential election gets decided by the House of Representatives. How do you think that will work out?
The Bernistas and Trump’s Sturmabteilung are united in their hatred of Hillary and their desire to destroy the United States as it exists. Is this enough to make the Bernistas vote for Trump? Probably not, since their views on what the US would look like after the “revolution” differ widely. The Bernistas will just do everything they can to derail the Democratic candidate without actually voting for Trump. The real question is are there enough of them to Nader the election and make it close enough for the Republicans to steal.
Calling folks names isn’t a good policy around here. Shred what the politicians stand for and things they say if you want but attacking TPM posters isn’t a good idea. And it’s against the terms of service.
I take it this is going to be the new one to show your progressive bonafides? Crowing about how awesome Trump is? Because nothing says progressive purity like situational awareness and selective ignorance better.
These 13 percent probably were never democrats to begin with. Some republican leaning independents voted for Senator Sanders to stop Hillary. Of course those voters are going to support Trump. DUH!
The “fed up voters” you quoted are a scary lot. They’re willing to pitch the country to a demagogue just because they think he says what he thinks. If they’re all crooks and liars how is it then that Trump is saying what he thinks? This line of “reasoning” gives me headaches.
The two folks in that quote must have been home schooled.
Maybe I’m the odd one because I feel it incumbent to get the best information I can before I vote and not just depend on TV sound bites and emotion when I go to the voting booth.
The bitter and the folks who think well maybe if we elect Trump the system will finally be completely broken and then we can get what WE want. In other words selfish.
one in four Democrats who chose a candidate showed a preference for Trump,”
Nobody in the Democratic Party should be shitting their pants over this as some new phenomenon that’s due solely to Clinton’s alleged unpopularity.
First off, the notion that these voters are truly “Democrats” is farcical. Anybody who is supporting the overt bigotry and racism of Trump never voted for Obama in the first place, nor for Kerry or Gore for that matter. These “Democrats” are the prototypical “Reagan Democrats” who’ve been voting for Republicans consistently since at least 1980, and very likely well before that. People forget that Nixon actively courted the “hard hat” vote in '68 and '72, and these voters were predominantly union members at the time.
George Wallace captured 10% of the popular vote in Michigan running as an independent in the 1968 election, and the bulk of that support came from blue-collar whites in southeastern Michigan. On top of that, Wallace won the 1972 Michigan Democratic primary outright, capturing just over 50% of the votes, and a big factor in his victory was his vocal opposition to cross-district busing to remedy racial disparities in school districts, which many working-class ethnic whites vehemently opposed. It’s safe to say that the vast majority of these white Wallace voters voted for Nixon instead of McGovern, regardless of their nominal identification as Democrats; the GOP actively courted the anti-busing vote in the north.
It’s an unfortunate fact that a statistically significant portion of the white unionized blue-collar voters up north have similar attitudes about racial issues as whites in the southern parts of the country. Many of these blue-collar voters are members of longstanding white ethnic groups in northern urban industrial areas, and some hail from the south themselves. The skyrocketing employment needs of the pre-war manufacturing plants in Michigan and other northern industrial states stimulated two waves of migration: there was the influx of African Americans from the south up to cities like Detroit (itself part of the larger phenomenon of the Great Migration), but there was an accompanying pulse of whites from Appalachia to Ohio and Michigan as well. The demand for manufacturing labor took another jump during WWII, and this is why for many years Yspilanti, Michigan—home of the famed WWII Willow Run bomber plant—had the somewhat derisive nickname of “Ypsitucky.” The end of the war in 1945 didn’t end the migration, since the wartime manufacturing facilities quickly switched to auto production as well as other industrial products, and rural whites from Appalachia brought their cultural views with them. It should be noted that in 2008 and 2012, the counties across Appalachia were among those providing Obama with the smallest level of support of any region in the country.
Regardless, these demographic factors haven’t prevented Michigan from voting for the Democratic candidate in many Presidential elections.
Yes, Clinton should try to get the votes of as many of these people as possible, but not at the expense of the broader Democratic electorate.
Fine. I’ll send you some matches and gasoline so you can burn down your own house. But stay away from mine. Once you start a " revolution" you will not be able to control its direction.
Read the link I posted about swing voters. I do know of disaffected republicans, mostly women, who will never vote for Trump and some who are eager to vote for HRC. However, when she inevitably has to court these voters to win the election, those fence sitting Sanders supporters will scream that she is selling out and they told us so!
Please explain what “destruction” your life has been subjected to because of the policies of the Obama Administration. Please, no bumper-stickers (“Dictator,” “Socialist,” “Muslim”) - give us specifics. I look forward anxiously to your response.
