another whining tantrum from a candidate of the party for personal responsibilityâŚ
you picked the rules when you picked the party Chump⌠get over it!!!
ânever smarten up a chump⌠never give a sucker an even breakâ
WC Fields
Hah. Drumpf blasts a corrupt election systemâŚunlike the corrupt high-end real estate market and practices heâs actually familiar with, huh?
Hey Donnie, youâre a doer. Try making âThe Election System Greatâ. See how that works for ya. It is part of that America youâre gonna make great. Show us how you get things done, you moron. Or are some things not in your control after all? Luuuuuuuzer!!! Iâm so sick of this prick.
For some reason, Trump apparently doesnât understand there is a crucial difference between âmore thanâ and âmost.â
While it is true Trump has won more delegates than any other GOP candidate, he has by no stretch of the imagination won âmostâ of them. In fact, he only has about 47% of the total delegates and about 42% of the actual vote.
Oh boy! The big crybaby is back on the block. Truly sad he didnât bother to study the GoP rules for earning delegates to win the partyâs nominee.
Now that heâs partially educated, heâs going to whine until he gets his way! So start your kettle call, Trump!!
So, you never bothered to figure out how the process actually works and now that your ignorance is catching up with you itâs âcorruptâ? Sure, OK.
This isnt The Apprentice or Miss America. Suck it up buttercup!
Waitâll he gets the most votes in the general election, and the Court gives the presidency to Bush.
Wait 'til someone tells him about the electoral college.
Drumpf has just revealed another area of human knowledge where he is woefully uninformed. From his public statements, it seems that he believes the only voting system that is fair (or even legitimate) is the so-called âfirst past the postâ system.
First past the post is a badly flawed system, but our Constitution was written before the scientific study of voting systems began. The biggest problem is that a candidate can win who is not preferred by a majority of voters when there are more than two candidates.
In fact, if Trump wins, it will be because heâs benefitted from exactly this problem with first-past-the-post systems. His supporters back him strongly, but they are a minority. He is almost no oneâs second choice. In an instant run-off system (a/k/a, Single Transferable Vote) Drumpf would be out by by now if the polls about second choices are accurate.
Heâs completely correct, and he should be lambasting the system. Both parties have horrible systems for electing the nominee, it seems like the Republican system may just be a little more horrible. Or maybe Demâs just arenât as crazy.
We live in a Republic, and within a 2 party system. If the people canât choose the standard bearerâs for the parties, so essentially elites can just select who will be the nominee for the 2 major parties, then it is not a Republic, at least on the presidential level.
Itâs likely that in a lot of states, even if he had worked the system, he still would not have loyal delegates, as the process for choosing delegates seems to be controlled by party insiders. But regardless of his lack of efforts, he should be able win if he gets a majority of the delegates/votes and he should be the nominee if he wins a plurality and nobody else is close.
There are really two separate questions here.
First, should a candidate have to demonstrate majority support, or just more support than anyone else? Trump claims legitimacy comes from the âmore than anyone elseâ plurality standard, but as far as I can recall conventions have never worked that way. It has always been majority rule.
Second, how do you demonstrate majority support? The delegate selection process certainly looks corrupt, but itâs hard to see how it can be done any better without changing the primaries to something like âSingle Transferable Vote,â as @stradivarius50t3 suggested. Trumpâs claim that he would be the only legitimate winner â simply because he is the leader â just collapses the convention into a plurality system.
Donald Trump is blasting a âcorruptâ election system for complicating his path to the Republican nomination.
Trump tells a crowd of thousands of enthusiastic supporters gathered
in a frigid airport hangar in Rochester, New York on Sunday afternoon
that âitâs not rightâ that the person who wins the most votes may not be
the nominee.
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Honestly, I think he doesnât believe in any voting system where he doesnât win automatically.
There was a speech last summer in which he blurted he didnât think there was any reason to wait on the election, that he should be elected President immediately. In August 2015. Apparently oblivious to the fact he was basically calling for a coup. It was chilling.
Thus it is, no matter how it goes this summer and in November, if Trump is denied the Presidency, I have no doubt whatsoever heâll claim the results were âvery unfairâ and that the office was âstolenâ from him.
I truly donât know if Iâm supposed to feel excited to watch the Republican party destroy itself from within, imploding, or terrified at what might happen.
Trump then threw himself down on the floor, kicking his feet and pounding his fists on the floor, his face turning red with spittle forming around the edges of his ugly asshole shaped mouth. At least I think it was spittle ⌠maybe I should check with Santorum.
Thatâs entirely possible.
Well, the GOP is so dysfunctional that I donât think an implosion is avoidable. The plutocrats have treated the cultural conservatives as useful fools for more than 40 years. The plutocrats need a group of voters to use, because there simply arenât enough plutocrats to win elections without help.
But the cultural conservatives expect to be paid in restrictive laws. Instead, they view things as falling apart. Gays are allowed to marry now, and weâve seen the freak out. The Tea Party was useful in the short term, but their unrealistic expectations about the tax system has caused another freak out.
We need a sane, center-right party â well, really we need a sane center-left party â the Democratic Party is a de facto center-right party. We need parties that understand the concept of Loyal Opposition. We need a replacement for the Republicans that behaved like the Congressional Democrats behaved for the Presidency of Bush the Younger.
Many Democrats had Bush Derangement Syndrome in that period: to an extent, I was one of them. But the Democrats on Capitol Hill (mostly) didnât do that. They understood the importance of loyal opposition.
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The way the rules read in the GOP it takes a majority (as in 50% + 1 delegate) to win the nomination. A plurality doesnât cut it. Nor do the whiny wishes of a spoiled brat of a billionaire buffoonâŚ
To win the general election is an entirely different matter. In that case it takes a majority of votes in the Electoral College and a candidate can win enough of those votes with a good deal less than a majority from ordinary voters.
Lots of good points in your post there, and I agree with you. And youâre right: The country needs a sane, moderate center-right partyâŚand a sane, moderate center-left one.
Unfortunately, except on social issues, the Democrats are the âsane moderate center-right partyâ, while the Republicans have taken the express train to radical right crazy-town. A major part of their trouble is theyâve cobbled together an inconsistent yet dogmatic hyper-conservative set of positions.
Contradictory notions that include the U.S. being the worldâs premier and unchallenged sole superpowerâŚbut where itâs apparently okay to completely shut down the government from time to time over policy disagreements. Where the country has to have the biggest, most powerful economy AND militaryâŚbut the cost it takes to maintain those has been deemed irrelevant â as in, no need to maintain the countryâs infrastructure and educational systems, nor any need apparently to worry about paying for the overly bloated military that keeps growing and growing, even when there is no active declared war going on.
And yeah, now they have one candidate who has refused to dog-whistle in favor of a fascist bullhorn and another who is loathed by a majority of his own party. And both of them seem to think âshut it all downâ is how you get your demands met, no matter how crazy those demands are.
Youâre also right about the need for negotiation and compromises⌠only the Republicans have added âcompromiseâ to their list of anathemas, not to be tolerated under any circumstances. Thus the Dems have tried again and again to come to basic operating agreements and the GOPers refuse.
Now this practice has infected their own partyâs nominating and primary elections processes: Crazy ideologies are rewarded. Incumbents are challenged for failing to be radical enough â hell, theyâre challenged just for doing routine business in their jobs as elected officials. And the party has so radicalized their own base, the only acceptable candidates to them are the lunatics, bullies, and sleaze-buckets.
Trump couldnât be bothered to look into the Râs rules of engagement, didnât hire professional staff until now I guess and now is crying about it all. He does have a point that if he has the most raw votes there will be trouble by his followers but this is the way the Republican Party has done business at their convention for decades. The rules may suck but they have been there all along for all who care to look to see. Itâs politics not business.
The Incredible Mr. Trumpley is totally useless and practically fatal. Maybe FU said it best, I have no patience for useless things.