Discussion: Trump Administration Purposely Overloading Vetting Process For Admitting Refugees

They haven’t figured out how to grift the process yet, but they’re working on it.

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If a refugee gives Trump a high rating,he or she is a terrorist. :smirk:

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Seriously, all the refugees need to learn to say wonderful things about Trump, then he will let them in.

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I know this article is about refugees, but people need to know that the Administration has thrown up roadblocks to regular legal immigration. The administration doesn’t talk much about the difficulties they are creating for legal immigrants because demonizing illegals and refugees plays better with the base, but ask tech companies about the increased difficulty they are having in securing highly educated talent.

It is almost as though this bunch of no-nothings really want to move America out of the first world.

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Also to attending professional meetings. I attended a meeting in Puerto Rico in July and several Chinese scientists were unable to get visas from our government.

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Peckerheads. If they spent half as much time trying to fix the wrongs instead of deliberately screwing the process we’d be in good shape.

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This will also hurt larger research universities as they try to bring in quality graduate students. (The goal of the Trump administration may not be to sabotage higher ed, but they are doing so nonetheless.)

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Institutionalized cruelty with a sadistic aspect. If he could get away with carting these people off to gas chambers he would.

Fix the wrongs? They’re too busy wronging the fixes.

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Of course. The issue of “illegals” has always been a fig leaf for what it is. Racism.

Which is why Trump’s base support him. Because they are racists themselves.

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Highly-educated talent? What a LAFF RIOT. H-1Bs are seldom “highly educated”. Many are poorly educated. Many cheat on their CVs. The displacement of US STEM/IT professionals by H-1B scabs is a huge scandal. We do not want, and do not need, more H-1B scabs. Ask the hundreds of US IT staff fired from Disney who had to train their own replacements. Toys-R-US replaced all their US IT staff and then went belly-up, which often happens due to H-1B incompetence.

In addition, there are all kinds of other programs which are destroying the US STEM/IT work force. There is the OPT program which employs foreign college grads. This program has gone from 30,000/year to 300,000/year in 10 years. And why is it so popular? The US GOVERNMENT gives employers a TAX CUT to employ foreign workers over American STEM/IT workers. 300,000 is the number of graduates of IL, MI, WI, and 10 other universities.

It’s no wonder your highly trained kid cannot get a job. The jobs have gone to Indian and Chinese kids with the blessings and tax cuts from the US government.

Since you don’t know much about the process, you have misstated the issue. These Chinese scientists are probably visa overstays, and if they leave the country, they won’t be able to return. The recent ASA meeting in Vancouver BC had a ton of cancelled talks for the same reason.

  1. Puerto Rico is inside the country

2.which ASA was this?

  1. I doubt very much that there is a significant visa overstay problem within academia. Historically student visas are relatively easy to get. Converting them to work visas (or acquiring enough money for living expenses when you are prohibited from working) is the tricky part. But “independent scholars “ trying to get a post doc or a faculty position are the minority at any academic conference I’ve attended

My wife and I are in the middle of this, and everyone we talk to says it’s a major disaster, with the rules changing all the time and immigration officers incentivized to eject people for any reason they can find. A minor typo on an immigration document is now reason to deny the application, instead of asking for extra information or a correction. And, the system now connects immigration to deportation, so if your application is denied you’re put on the list to be evaluated for deportation, which immediately makes it harder to reapply for immigration. It’s a nightmare, and it’s exactly what the people running the system want…they want to make sure fewer non-white people come into the country, so they are going after everyone that’s immigrating here, legal or not.

And, that goes for visa requests as well, there are now lots of cases where academics flying in for a conference are having to cancel their talks because the visa request was delayed or denied. These are well known experts in their fields who happen to be from a foreign nation, there’s no reason to deny their visa. Conferences are now being planned outside the US because of this, and soon we’ll see a lot of academics who decide to work outside the US instead of moving here…all of their knowledge will help other nations, where it used to be they would immigrate here and help ours.

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No…tech companies cannot find the workers in the US to do the jobs, that is why they are looking to other nations that are training people in tech. And, H-1B workers have salary limits they have to be paid above, so not a lot of money is saved hiring them. The fact is the US is not training enough workers in tech, no surprise as we have always been importing the best students in the world to come here and work. Now, we’re encouraging them to stay home and develop their home nations instead…which is good for their nations obviously, not so good for the US when those nations start competing against us. It’s a self-inflicted wound that will lead to the end of the US as the world leader in technology.

Problem…immigration. Solution…someone take care of that weasily little Nazi Stephen Miller…problem solved.

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JSM - joint statistical meeting - in Vancouver.

Colleagues were shocked at the number of cancelled talks. Statistics is hugely problematic - it is plagued by Chinese and Indian workers. We do not need or want the H-1B/L-1/J-1/OPT workers. We need jobs for USA workers.

Dems have not come to terms with their confusion on this issue. Trump has made major inroads on the tech workers by promising to help on H-1B/H-4 issues. he has not delivered. Dems could outflank him, but have not decided to.

That is total bullshit. What tech companies cannot find is highly qualified applicants who will work for 35K / year. See “purple squirrel” requirements. There is a huge industry, of immigration lawyers, who tell us that the applicants are not there. This is a lie, top to bottom. What the firms want is top talent at cheap prices. That is not there, true. In 25 years of “shortages”, the prices of IT/STEM work is the same. Why has the salary range not gone up in view of this fake shortage? BECAUSE IT IS A HUGE SCAM, and morons listen to the “shortage shouting”.

It’s a huge lie. Cheap labor is the story. Liberals help the cheap labor lobby. Which is why I am no longer a liberal.

This is bullshit, and survey after survey shows that the US has more than enough workers. You know nothing of the industry.

I work in STEM, I know what’s up, and you’re wrong if you think the US is outputting enough students that can take on these jobs. It’s not just about getting cheap labor, that’s what Republicans want you to think…it’s about getting labor that can do the job. And, reading what a lot of college kids think is good work makes it clear why we don’t have enough STEP professionals coming out of our schools. There’s a lot of reasons why that is, but the fact is that’s how things are.

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