Discussion for article #237412
Obama won…his last election…
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I hate to be reflexive, but if Paul Ryan supports it, I’m against it. That is all.
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I did not expect this to happen, but I’m not disappointed that it did.
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It was Boehner’s job to get this thing passed
I’m shocked, shocked I tell you that he failed…
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Jeebus, jeebus, but I hope this 'trade" deal this fails. The things I’m hearing about it make my stomach churn.
If we’re not in our 2nd Gilded Age this bill will put us there.
Talk about corporations ruling the world.
Let’s hope.
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Thank goodness we still have some honest politicians left willing to speak truth to power. My personal thanks to everyone that voted No on this albatross. Go Nancy! Go Elizabeth! Go Bernie!
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Makes my day.
Thank you Nancy Pelosi. And FU Mr. President.
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Matt Drudge is against it. How to you feel now?
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One of the reasons Obama is pushing the TPP is because it will allow unfettered LNG exports to Asia and the Baltic countries. That will serve to further rein in Putin and take away some of his clout in supplying natural gas.
The customers of at least 91 public gas systems in Louisiana are among the people, businesses and manufacturers who could be affected by exports of liquefied natural gas.
Filings with the U.S. Department of Energy’s Office of Fossil Energy show critics of such exports include the American Public Gas Association in Washington, D.C., and the Sierra Club, of San Francisco.
The APGA is concerned that LNG exports, much of it going through facilities under construction in Louisiana, could dramatically increase the cost of natural gas in this country.
The Sierra Club is concerned that worldwide demand for the nation’s LNG could increase environmental damage from fracturing, referred to as “fracking,” of shale deposits.
Supporters of LNG exports include the American Petroleum Institute and dozens of companies either seeking or holding export permits. Many of those companies hope to send huge shipments of the fuel and feedstock to non-Free Trade Agreement countries in Asia and other parts of the world at much higher prices than they would receive in the U.S.
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I feel bad for Obama, but not that much.
If he can’t even sell it to his own Party, and needs the full support of the GOP (which cares about American workers about as much as the regular person cares about stepping on an ant), then there’s no way in hell that I (or very likely the general public) will support it.
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I’m assuming that the “reasons” PBO has been pushing this are not the real reasons. It would be so nice if his real agenda could be exposed and explained.
Our disfunctional congress makes it impossible to do a trade bill negotiation with another country. You can easily see the problem. Without the fast track authority congress will add amendments to any trade agreement, and those amendments would have to be renegotiated with the other country, leading to another agreement, which would also be modified with amendments by congress.
In order for a president to be able to get a trade deal past congress that body needs to be functional, working together to do what they agree is best for the nation. Today, congress works only to find ways to embarrass the president, to hamstring him, to make him fail. This time we won, in that the trade agreement that Obama agreed to was a terrible deal for workers here. But, in the future such agreements might be good, but equally impossible to get past congress.
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Why in limbo, if it is such a great deal it can and will stand on it’s own merits.
Fortunately the more we learn of the deal taking shape the more we understand it will NOT BE A GOOD DEAL FOR THE UNITED STATES in any way shape or form.
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I feel better knowing Sherrod Brown is against it…
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Depends on whether you’re more concerned about the negligible loss of jobs that would result from a treaty with eleven nations with whom we already have bilateral trade treaties or whether you’re more concerned about China stepping into the vacuum Democrats are determined to create here.
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Don’t think it’s over. Will come back with different pay-fors, or maybe aligned with some companion bill…
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What “things are you hearing about it,” as opposed to, say, what’s actually in it?
The Rs are trapped in a Wonderland of their own making. They wanted to vote yes but wouldn’t/couldn/t because it was spearheaded by The Black Man. Pelosi represents my district here in San Francisco, and I trust her judgment on this.
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His “real agenda”? Please explain.