Discussion: The Unprecedented Coming Legal Battle Over Trump's Census Citizenship Move

Trying to come up with some catchy phrases for the 18 midterms:

Vote Republican, Make Putin Great Again!

GOP: Guard Our Putin

Contributions?

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Barefoot and pregnant means no second paycheck

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The intended and unintended consequences should kill this.

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Personally, I think the question is appropriate, as we should only be concerned with citizen numbers for redistricting and representation. We should only include legal aliens in the counting for those services for which they qualify. Illegal aliens should not be taken into account because they are here illegally.

Wonder what the ā€œoriginalistsā€ at SCOTUS will say about this.

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Happened to catch a sociologist from one of the Texas universities on Morning Joe. She said this will not only affect California, but Texas and many of the southwestern states that have large immigrant populations.

She also said that SHS was not be completely truthful (shocking, I know) when she said this kind of question was on the census until 2000. It was only on the long form, which about 16% of the population is asked to fill out.

You can find a sample copy here:

https://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/d-61b.pdf)

In 2010, it was removed entirely because another organization provided these statistics.

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I’d like to know exactly what group is formulating American policy, foreign and domestic, because Trump certainly didn’t come out with any of this. He either agrees with all of it or he’s been gently persuaded.
These plans have been on hold until the right (wrong) moment came along, and here we are.

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This is a GOP voter selection thing. The GOOD OL’ White Boy Party wants its votes to count for more than brown, black or young people.

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Koch, Adleson, and Mercer are some of the last names of the oligarchs pushing this.

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The GOP just can’t stand forward progress

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Actually, the South, which never could match the north in population, wanted to count the slaves for purposes of apportionment. However the slaveholders certainly were not going to allow their captive population to vote. The 3/5 compromise was designed to limit the over-representation of the slave states.

The constitution still has plenty of other clauses that give disproportionate power to empty spaces such as two Senators per state and the electoral college.

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Needing to cheat to win is the republican way. Yet somehow they get away with their fake outrage over things like NFL players kneeling. Up really is down these days. Smh

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Cant you just NOT answer that question?

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Fine, except that is not what the Constitution says.

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It’s so unfair that we keep tearing down Trump, when he keeps giving this great nation the opportunity to have the courts look into all sorts of areas of the law for the first time. Plumbing the depths of sense and reason…

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Koch brothers network (them plus DeVos, Adelson, Mercers, bankers, other very wealthy oil & gas peeps, etc) plus the Heritage Foundation, the John Birch Society, etc.

They’ve been playing the long game for decades, have used Faux & Bannon to distribute their message, and now have an Administration and Congress to make it happen.

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What these racist fools don’t realize is that the conservative white majority in the red states have been benefiting from the population growth among minority and liberal leaning transplants. Places like TX, FL, GA, AZ have been gaining electoral votes, seats in Congress and federal dollars mainly driven by growth among demographics that are not Republican leaning.

If they limit the census and short change the population count, they’ll have to redraw districts. Because the districts have to have equal numbers of people, more districts will be redrawn around the population centers (where the people actually live) which means there will be more competitive to Democratic leaning districts. So what will happen is that Dallas/Houston/Atlanta will get more people and they’ll lose districts in the areas of declining population.

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ā€œWe do find that the courts have generally given the Census Bureau a lot of deference in terms of those decisions about where to count people and how to count people,ā€ Lowenthal, a former director of the House census oversight subcommittee, said at a forum last week. ā€œSo in my mind the unanswered question is: Is there a floor that constitutionally prompts a court to step in and say, ā€˜This has gone below what’s acceptable’?ā€

In this case, the Census Bureau’s experts have spoken, and have recommended (pretty strenuously from what I’ve heard) against adding the question.

So here’s your question: Does a political appointee have the power to over-rule the experts in something as crucial as the Census? We have experts for a reason – it isn’t a requirement that the political appointees act as a rubber stamp for the experts. However, if the appointee does choose to ignore unanimous advice, Wilbur better have a damned good reason that he can express clearly.

By the way, ā€œNo one can prove that the question would increase non-responseā€ is not a good reason.

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That is exactly what is going to happen in my household.

Yes, you are required by statute to respond to the Census and to answer all questions therein. If that question is on the Census form, I’m going to do my bit for civil disobedience. If the Bureau wants to send an enumerator, I’ll tell them, ā€œYou can figure it out. I’ll tell you that I lived in Las Cruces, New Mexico in 2010.ā€

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I wonder how many of these pronouncements are purposely made just to scare people, create public outcry, and then not much changes. Marketing is their game, details not so much.

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