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Great article. Really feel like I learned something about the issues and the tactics of the activists. Intent was never in doubt.
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If abortion āis never health care,ā under what auspices can they regulate it? If it is not considered health care, then it is not āmedical,ā and therefore how can they require hospital conditions in abortion facilities? These legalese gymnastics are easy for those who invent whatever they need to move their ideology forward, but they should not get past any court.
They claim it is to protect women, but of course it isnāt. They claim it is to protect ābabies,ā but their lack of support to mothers and children in need make that lie obvious to anyone with a functioning brain.
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Iād be happy for Plan B, implantable contraceptives and the IUD to put abortion clinics out of business due to lack of demand. I would think everyone should agree on that, but āpro lifeā forces are no help whatsoever getting teenagers fitted with first-line contraceptive therapies.
I refuse to call anyone pro life whose methods include judging women, throwing up needless barriers and handing out punishments.
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Pro-life is Pro-religion/Pro-politics and that is the gist of the whole deal. Even if a few individuals actually only truly have pro-life concerns, they eventually get swallowed up by the right-wing nuts and fundamentalists. Just like the teabaggers.
Pro-potential life or partial life is closer to the truth. All things alive and living arenāt fought for like the controversial, able to get votes issue, unborn babies and sperm.
Pro-life is Pure-bullshit, IOW.
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Good article that explains some of the thinking and insidious strategy behind these TRAP regulations.
Also, someone recently pointed out the problems behind requiring abortion providers to have hospital admitting privileges ā it seems itās a two-pronged attack on providers:
First of all, hospital are not eager to provideĀ admitting privileges to abortion providers because they donāt see it as a business development tool for them; since almost all abortions are done without incident, granting hospital admitting privileges would not result in an uptick of business for the hospital. So thatās one hurdle;
Second, many doctors seeking to purchase liability insurance are asked, āHave you ever been denied hospital admitting privileges?ā If the doctor answers in the affirmative, he/she may be unable to buy the insurance. So being denied hospital admitting privileges could become a barrier to pursuing oneās livelihood.
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You would think they would be handing out condoms on every street corner if they wanted less unintended births.
Or be rallying for comprehensive sex education for the same reason. Yet they are against both.
So what intentions are we left with? Many more than they let on, certainly. Anti-abortion is just the face we see.
What is so bad about planning your parenthood?
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āThe Twisted Logic Behind āAbortion Isnāt Healthcareāā
Iāll give you the twisted logic behind āabortion isnāt healthcareā in a nutshell: āwomen arenāt people.ā
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I think the underlying āwomen arenāt peopleā meme makes it easy to understand why abortion āisnāt health careā. Because if women arenāt people, no lives are being saved, disabilities avoided, careers saved or mental illnesses fended off. And then you think about the care thatās routinely approved for menās illnesses.
Except that (a) no method of birth control is 100 percent reliable; and (b) sometimes planned pregnancies go wrong and need to be terminated.
Thanks; I was aware of the first problem, but unaware of the second.
I have long thought that at least part of the ideology behind the so-called āpro-lifeā movement is the notion that sex, especially sex between people who are not married to each other, is sinful, and that there should be consequences for it, and one of those consequences is the birth of a child. Another is shaming, and the birth of a child to an unwed mother provides an opportunity to accomplish both. Birth control and abortion both make it easier to have sex without obvious consequences, and thatās why they are as opposed to one as to the other.
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I donāt quite get why the article pushes the premise that abortion opponents are arguing in good faith. I donāt for a moment believe that they really believe abortion is not health care. This is an argument they have discovered that they think covers their real motives.
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The point is not to prevent unwanted pregnancies and so reduce the number of abortions, the point is to prevent people from having sex. Unauthorized sex. Uncontrolled sex. Sex outside the framework that they approve. Pregnancy is punishment. Pregnancy resulting from unauthorized sex must not be prevented ā it is punishment and must be made as burdensome and unpleasant as possible. Contraception must be banned because it encourages unauthorized sex. It doesnāt matter that contraceptive medicine is used to treat other medical problems, it allows unauthorized sex without punishment, so it must be outlawed, even for married women. See? You just have to understand the real reasons.
You are so right. They donāt even want to have their own daughters protected from the virus that causes cervical cancer because it would acknowledge that girls eventually have sex, usually before marriage, almost always before their parents know it; and throughout their lifetime, with more than one partner.
So if they donāt get pregnant, at least they might get cervical cancer, which is also a just punishment.
Without family planning or a big inheritance, itās extremely difficult for a young couple to get ahead in life. Churches lament their declining enrollment, I think of the pro life movement in all their judgmental compassion.
Ya thinking of Australia today and their history as a penal colony, I think we definitely got the short end of the stick with those Puritans.
Youāre right of course, but I still think the ideal worth fighting towards would be to follow the ACOG recommendations. IUD pregnancy rates are under 1% per year and if enough teenage girls and women used them, there wouldnāt be enough abortion demand to support very many clinics.