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Letâs be clear-the only viable alternative to Obamacare that has ever been proposed is single payer. All of the Republicans who oppose Obamacare are thus in favor of single payer, whether they admit it or not,.
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Milt Shook at pleasecutthecrap.com states that most successful health insurance companies around the world arenât single payer systems.
I agree with him, the ultimate goal isnât single payer, but universal healthcare.
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But these headlines are another reminder that the existential questions that dogged Obamacare during its darkest days have all but evaporated. Now the challenging, but decidedly less sexy, work of impeaching the President for doing bad things that hurt rich people is what remains.
Thatâs what a Teabagger reads when s/he looks at this article. There IS no âgood newsâ about Obamacare. There canât be! Itâs a job destroyer, and an economy destroyer, it hurts the free market, and it makes the Baby Jeebus cry! Right?
Right?
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Thank you President Obama for affordable health coverage.
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Damn that Mao-loving terrist-fist-bumping socialist Muslim who was born in Kenya and is now destroying America!
This reminds me of those crackpot emails we all get from the Reich-wingers with their imagined ânewsâ about one thing or the other. At the end of many of them is: âWhy have we not heard about this in the âmainstreamâ media?â
Indeed.
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The only reference to this I saw was this:
âOnly a couple of the universal health care systems in the world are actually single-payer.â
Itâs true that most countries that have universal health care provide comprehensive government-sponsored health coverage which is augmented by private policies. That is similar to the way Medicare is here to cover co-pays and medications.
I guess you could say that they are more like Public Option programs with commercial coverage as an additional option. That is quite different from what we are currently dealing with, which still favors commercial insurance companies and so by definition, health care dollars are divided between ACTUALLY PROVIDING HEALTH CARE and INSURANCE COMPANY PROFITS.
The latter is what I think needs to go.
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Insurance companies are putting $1.5 billion into marketing to get more people into their Obamacare policies, and now more companies are piling on. Why, itâs almost like there is an âinvisible handâ out there guiding them!
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And yet, the dumb-asses with Americans for Prosperity keep playing stupid political commercials about âthe dreaded Obamacareâ here in Michigan. Seems like that chart shows just what kind of open free-market the insurance companies want to be a part of here in Michigan. The trouble with repeatedly lying to the public as AFP has done, the less credibility they have when the truth eventually comes out, and the more people tune-out AFPâs message altogether, no matter what form it comes in.
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Itâs true that, with the possible exception of the UK, most countries have a mix of public and private and I have no problem with that.
As for the point about insurance company profits-I donât begrudge profits any more than I begrudge supermarkets a profit, even though food is as necessary as medical care. The caveat is that profits should be reasonable and should come not from finding ways to exclude the sick, but from finding efficient ways to provide universal care.
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Early looks at 2015 premiums also have suggested that warnings about skyrocketing premiums might have been overblown
WTF. Negative analysis about Obamacare might have been overblown? Well Iâll be damned. Must be that âlibrulâ press we hear so much about.
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DC Beltway is not interested in the success of ObamaCare. They take their cues for whatever the outrage of the day is from Republicans and shape their reporting around it. Theyâve even revived losers of the Iraq War Dream Team, lending them credibility and deference despite the fact that they were WRONG in how they handled everything. Theyâre also rolling out that loser Romney, giving him airtime to show what a fucking loser douche he is like he knows what heâs talking about.
âLiberalâ media, my ass.
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Remember media outlets are owned by conservative corporations, run by conservative publishers and producers, and populated by conservative pundits and personalities. Good news is never sexy. It will be a cold day in hell when most media outlets report Obamacare is doing well.
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Hear hear. You hit the nail on the head TD
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The Good Obamacare News?
"Itâs not all rosy. Some insurance companies have reported that theyâll have significant premium increases in 2015 â though those arenât yet final. The issue of provider networks for next yearâs plans, which the Obama administration tried to address via administrative rules, is still outstanding. "
This should be interesting - "Some insurance companies ⌠"?
Valarie says he needs some time out as Barackâs world begins to unravel.
Did you read the entire article or just these two sentences?
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Thatâs why I posted - the caption doesnât do justice to the story.
No, thatâs not why you posted. Youâre trolling any stories about Obama like you normally do. You only seem to pop up to satisfy your ODS. Like you did when there were issues with the HealthCare website - remember you stated how âgleefulâ you wereâŚ???
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The only Single Payer health insurance we have experience with in the US is the disaster of VA HealthCare. Death Panels, bureaucratic incompetence and corruption, full time health providers working a few hours/day, etc. all hallmarks of government intrusion into healthcare.
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Sure thing, ClarenceVine.
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