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Euthanasia will be found to be the best âfor-profit educationâ outcome.
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America ought to do what Germany has done with higher education. Making higher leaning less accessible to those who cannot be full time students is yet another instance of the people being kept ignorant while Wall Street profits from both greed and stupidity. America seems to me to be bound and determined to place itself at the bottom of the list of industrialized nations in so many areas. People who are usually the victims of such an outcome wonder why their formally âGreatâ Nation has fallen so far over time. Meanwhile our political âleadershipâ makes a great noise about how âAmerica will be great again.â and other such political rubbish. The truth is simply this:
If America makes no investment in education for her people, all her people, American âLeadershipâ is a relic of the past, and no amount of flowery words will restore her former preeminence. But within this truth, there is another which must be faced. There is a greasy layer of âLeadersâ in America who have come upon the proven notion that a people kept ignorant are easier to lie to, and are, therefore more easily led.
Imagine America as a nation of well-educated, well-rounded, and more inquiring people.That is undoubtedly the worst nightmare one can imagine for those who reap all manner of obscene âprofitâ (and not in money alone) from the continued and blissful ignorance of a once âGreatâ Nation.
Anything, or anyone who endangers that âprofitâ must be eliminated. So here we are. The education offered at schools like this constitutes a threat to the ignorance of the population. Kill the school, kill the education, feed the ignorance, and everything will be just fine, wonât it? Yeah, sure it will. For everyone but the people, that is.
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Vocational education is very important (way more important than the âeveryone should go to 4-year college!â crowd can comprehend), but the way these diploma mills and financial aid fraud rings work runs contrary to what this country needs.
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I believe I can identify the heart of the problem:
In 1995, the universityâs parent company went publicâŚ
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I havenât really looking into the history of for profit colleges and just assumed they way they are now is how they always were. But reading the article they way they started sounds like something that would be nice if they could get back to. Having been through a 4 year BS program and graduated by the skin of my teeth at a college that started as a land grant, I can appreciate the concept that some people arenât traditional 4 year degree material, but could use some vocational related higher education beyond HS.
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âThere is a greasy layer of âLeadersâ in America who have come upon the
proven notion that a people kept ignorant are easier to lie to, and are,
therefore more easily led.â
Yes, and not a surprise that it was illegal to teach slaves to read.
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The for-profit colleges led to a new wave of regulations for the non-profit colleges, which caused them to hire new administrators for compliance, assessment, and accreditation. Nobody wins.
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That single act has destroyed more good companies than any policy instituted by a government entity.
Itâs the rare organization that actually improves after going public (other than improving the income of the executives). Iâm hard pressed to think of a single example.
Anyone? What organization has improved their quality - either for rank and file employees or for the public good - after their IPO? And I really donât want to hear about all the millionaires that Microsoft and Apple and Facebook have âcreatedâ; anyone paying attention knows that is just bullsh!t.
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Yep, they were an amazing success story that ended up slitting their own throats because for-profit, investor-owned corporations cannot, under any circumstances, begin to âstagnate.â
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I would agree with everything you said except this line here. As the article points out in far to many of these for profit schools the education they offered was an illusion, with recruiters suckering students into taking out large amounts of debt and federal aid in the pursuit of degrees from sub-standard programs that due to their poor reputation wonât easily translate into actual employment after completion of said programs. All in the name of greater profits for the school. The fact that that approach is starting to fail requiring those schools to reevaluate their approach and look towards putting a greater emphasis on the quality of the product they are providing is a good thing.
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Poor reputation is exactly right. I would never hire anyone with a University of Phoenix degree, especially now. The expansion of online education at actual colleges and universities, especially for things like MBA degrees, means that anyone going to somewhre like Univeristy of Phoenix has poor judgement, at best. At worst, it shows a prediliction to cut corners, (the classes are unspeakably easy,) and make poor, uninformed judgements.
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Since one should(nât) use foul(chicken?) language here, Iâll just write âBSâ. For profit schools are a joke, in my opinion. Theyâre just another capitalist con job.
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Now, if only some of the giant, diploma-mill law schools would go out of business, too.
I guess this depends on what you think is important educationally. If you think not enough Americans have affordable access to a traditional liberal arts education, thatâs debateable.
Iâm sure that for most of us that did a four year degree remember that easily half our classmates werenât interested in literature, history poli-sci or any of the other social sciences. I earned my BA back in the early 80s. Most of my classmates were (as was I) clueless about what we wanted to "beâ, which was fine as long as one was open to a broad range of knowledge. But already too many students were majoring in âbusinessâ and a fair number were engineering majors who all seemed to hate non-technical courses. I believe in knowledge for knowledgeâs sake, but you waste a lot of classroom space, money and instructorâs time on too many students who just donât care. You canât reflexively blame this on some failing of public education. Itâs just the way too many people have been raised or are intellectually (dis)inclined. We have this national notion that everyone needs to go to college. This simply isnât the case and probably 1/4 to 1/2 of kids attending now donât belong there, at least as 18-year olds.
Iâm all for an enlarging of voc-tech part of education, most of which can be handled by CCs. I always cast a jaundice eye at these for-profit institutions, but never knew really how any of them operated. If the âmodelâ got twisted, then bring them down.
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âthe gargantuan Wall-Street-backed monster it becameâ
cause and effect, in one short sentenceâŚ
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Agree on the need for more vocational training, as they have here in Germany (apprenticeships). But even here, they have 10s of thousands of open apprenticeship positions going for the begging (bakers, plumbers, welders, etc.).
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Can someone elucidate a bit on McCainâs role in all this?
OK, Iâll do itâŚ
http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/speeches?ID=0645af2c-434e-433e-92ac-364b205f4da4
âHi. Iâm Senator John McCain and Iâm honored to address the 500 graduates and over 1,200 family and friends that join us today, as well as the thousands of viewers throughout the nation joining us through the web-cast on the University of Phoenix Online website. I want to join in the chorus of congratulations to the Class of 2001. This is a day to luxuriate in praise. You have earned it. You have succeeded in a demanding course of instruction from a fine university. Life seems full of promise.â
READ THE WHOLE SPEECH! In light of this recent development, it all sounds like part of the running scam.
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These ashes will be very hard to rise fromâŚ
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