Arizona v. United States would disagree with your use of the word “criminal.”
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A lot of cities love them some illegals criminals. Now we would like to know how many there are. The count of persons will include all. It will also include information about who is a citizen. Of course, if all the illegals in CA refuse to answer (20% of the populace), CA might lose 11 seats. That would be OK with me. So, encourage the illegals to not fill out the census form.
On the other hand, if they do fill it out, we would know where they are (to zip-code level). That would certainly be helpful.
20%?! Yeah, no.
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“Legally, the Census is prohibited from turning over any personal data to the Department of Homeland Security or other agencies to pursue non-citizens.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
You think that fucking matters?
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Not sure how I feel about this one. If the person being asked is here legally, what are they afraid of?
If the person is here illegally and/or undocumented, then how can we on the left fight against this while arguing at the same time that immigrants are NOT “sucking up valuable resources/social security/welfare/etc” and are NOT “voting illegally in our elections”? If the objective of the census is determine how much or how little federal resources are allocated to an area, then why should the presence of those who don’t have access to those resources matter? If they can’t vote, why should their presence/absence determine how many representatives that area gets?
I get that it’s the usual conservative horseshit, but IMO our reasons for fighting against it undermine our arguments in other aspects of the immigration reform fight.
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People register to vote. Do you think that people just show up and are given a ballot?
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From census.gov
“The apportionment calculation is based upon the total resident population (citizens and non-citizens) of the 50 states.”
If you were to go by who can and can not vote, then should we not count kids? They can’t vote, sure they might be able to latter but so could undocumented immigrants.
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and @musgrove - Thank you both and Hell yeah!
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The vast majority overstayed a visa or other form of permission to be here, which is merely a civil offense, not a crime. Many were brought here when too young to go where their parents pointed. This actually has very little to do with people who “sneak in and cheat.”
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They are subject to our laws, pay taxes and ARE PROTECTED BY THE SAME RIGHTS AS ANY CITIZEN UNDER THE CONSTITUTION and are therefore counted, with good reason, as part of the districting process, because representatives have a duty to represent the interests of ALL people in their district, not just the ones who are citizens or came here legally. Why? Because Constitution, bitch.
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Legal immigrants are, in fact, as shown by the studies referred to in multiple TPM articles on this subject already, terrified of this question and it creates a substantial deterrent effect. Did you read the articles or did you just jump to the comment boards to spew white nationalist nonsense?
Please roll up your ignorance and jam it up your poo-slide.
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You’re not paying attention. Have you SEEN and HEARD the GOP? EVER?
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Nick’s agenda is pretty transparent, given his posts.
They reliably berate the usual scapegoats: women, people of color, immigrants, and other minorities.
Including some…shall we say…thought-provoking ones…
Like posting to TPM from Europe (on “vacation”, of course).
And trashing Angela Merkel (in fluent German).
Or his many visits to the Balkans (including Slovenia – “three times in the past five years”).
You know…the kind of things that any average working-class American typically does.
Did I mention that his comment history is searchable?
(PS: A year’s worth of “Likes” to whoever finds the first Nick post openly praising Putin.)
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“would likely exacerbate privacy concerns and lead to inaccurate responses from non-citizens worried about a government record of their immigration status.”
This is the hook, right? They won’t be just “leaking” the information to DOJ. They’ll send DOJ all the Hispanic and Muslim sounding ones that reported being citizens under the suspicion that it was a criminal lie on the census form under 18 USC 1001.
“We have reason to believe that Mr. Hermenez committed perjury and fraud upon the US gov’t.”
“Why’s that?”
“He marked the box next to “citizen” on the census.”
“But what makes you think he committed fraud or perjury or what have you?”
“Did I mention his name is Mr. Hermenez?”
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Will be interesting to see if any pushback by the elected troglodytes in my red state of Texas which will lose in a big way due to any such undercount.
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very unfair I say to the:
I get that, but what if someone checks an age that is 10 years younger than their actual age? Does the Census Bureau disqualify all the other answers?
Will the Census Bureau share information about the citizen question to determine whether someone has told the truth to that one answer?
Do whole forms get denied because one answer is not filled out?
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Can’t we all just not answer the question?
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Well since it’s unconstitutional - it violates the 5th amendment protection against self-incrimination - and two states have sued so far, I rather think this little pipe dream is not going to be real. It’s not going on the census.
@mpower1952 -Yes. hahahahahahahahaha
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It’s gonna be pitched out of court, because Holder has no standing. This is a purely federal matter. States have no say whatsoever in the administration, evaluation, or process of the census.
i thought everyone knew that.
But kids are counted via questions on the census, right?
Household members are counted and kids are in the household so yes.
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