Discussion: The Bitter Pill #NeverTrump Is Struggling To Swallow: Supporting Hillary

I don’t usually talk back to the computer, but that one got to me too. One Hitler wannabe is not enough for Kristol? Fortunately, we can take some solace in the observed fact that Kristol has a remarkably consistent record of being wrong about everything.

Cotton is to be watched very carefully — that is the real snake in the grass IMO.

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I sincerely don’t get all this visceral hatred for Hillary Clinton from those on the right. I understand it exists but I don’t understand the nature of it. I do understand fully the Just-Say-No-to-Trump crowd – the man would be not only an unmitigated disaster for the Republican brand but also for the nation. He would be such a train wreck of unspeakable proportion. But for those who would either sit out or vote for a third party in a national match up between HRC and DT come off as exceedingly child-like and selfish to the nth. HRC’s brand of Democratic values is seen by nearly all to be pretty centered on the national scale. Socially, she may be a little more liberal but far from a far leftie.

I wonder if their real disgust might be with the likelihood that Clinton would prove just as popular–if not more so–as her husband, President Bill Clinton. The disgust they feel for Clinton is really disgust with themselves for not being able to come up with anyone on their own side and that she’d prove to be such a good Commander-In-Chief and so great during here eight year stint, the GOP would prove to be useless in the minds of all those Americans who really are in the middle. They are afraid the GOP would basically cease to exist on a national level and be relegated to the likes of backwoods Mississippi. Again, I don’t see the problem with that. :smile:

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As an article in the Times on Sunday pointed out, Trump is much more like the isolationist Republicans of the past than the neocons.

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The neocons and other Repubs who can’t stomach Trump don’t have to vote for Hillary. If they just stay home, that will be enough to elect her.

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The Real Clear Politics analysis shows that since Feb 15, Hillary crushes Trump by ever widening margins, with the NBC/Journal poll from last week showing her ahead by 13. (Of course, Trump says in his speeches that the polls show his swamping Hillary) I heard this morning that a new poll shows that Hillary beats Trump with millenials (the Bernie vote), with whites, with minorities (by 13-1 with African Americans), and that 25% of Republicans will vote for her over Trump.

I don’t know that we need to worry about Kristol.

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My thoughts exactly! I think what they’re deeply afraid of is being relegated to the trash bin of history.

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Maybe they should accept an opposition president, put forth a conservative yet considered agenda, and work toward compromise and governance? Nah…

Yeah, because that would be too logical. The very idea is what used to be considered as common sense. Logic, common sense … GOP. Oil and water.

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Bloody Bill Kristol never disappoints.

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[quote=“BeattyCat, post:22, topic:34968”]
I sincerely don’t get all this visceral hatred for Hillary Clinton from those on the right. I understand it exists but I don’t understand the nature of it.
[/quote]It’s a matter of her being in the right place at the right time. Any Democratic President in the Nineties was going to be smeared by the newly ascendant national talk radio shows, and the 24 hour cable news cycle needed grist for the mill. That the Clintons were and are fairly conservatives Democrats is meaningless; that they weren’t Republicans was all that mattered. Plus, the Clintons were young then, and Hillary isn’t term limited like her husband is, so they’re still around afterwards as part of the political landscape. That’s a little unusual; Jimmy Carter, to pick an example, has mostly been retired (with some exceptions), as has Rosalyn.

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If half of what the more rabid Bernieites said about her was true, they should love her.

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Just relax, it will be really easy. Trump gets the nomination and picks Rubio as his Veep. Republicans hold their noses and elect the ticket from hell; thanks to Democratic purists who pout and refuse to vote for their party’s nominee even though the losing candidate endorses the winner. Trump is sworn in and Cheney takes him quail hunting. Oops! Cue the Fort Meyer Honor Guard, and great lamentations. Rubio becomes Prez. and The GOP breathes a great sigh of relief. The Teabaggers are consoled by their reliable friends at FUX Noose. Utter destruction of USA continues on schedule.

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Which just goes to show those very Republicans only care about Party over the good of the nation. Damn, I have far more respect for those old ‘Reagan Democrats,’ because at least those folks are willing to cross party line for what they consider is better for the nation. They proved to be very wrong in the long run – but at least most of them had what they thought was the good of the nation as their guide.

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FOX: #NeverHillary and #NeverTrump. We are advising all republicans to just not vote at all. That is a smart thing to do.

I don’t follow the conservative talk radio cabal. What are Rush, et al, saying about Trump’s candidacy?
I presume the more extreme ones are supporting him, but while Rush may me ignorant and a demagogue, he isn’t stupid. This could hit him in his most sensitive spots: his pocketbook and his worshippers/ego.

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But do they despise him enough to vote for Hillary Clinton, a figure
that attracts a singular brand of hatred and opposition from the
Republican Party?

Nice trope, but untrue. See Obama, Barrack, the Kenyan stalinist, for example. If Hillary Clinton comes in for more than her share of it, it’s just because she is one of the most prominent Democratic politicians around. Scorched earth opposition to the Democratic party is what modern Republicanism is all about.

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Aaaaaand there you have it folks. These are the “serious people” trying to stop Donald Trump! See why they are losing the fight? The GOP had seven months, and 17 candidates from which to choose. They wanted Trump, and now they got him!

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BTW, nice article, Ms. Sneed and Ms. Fox. I gave you a “Like.”

Lindsey Graham: “The one thing I would tell you for sure is I am not going to vote for Hillary Clinton,”
Does that mean he would vote for Bernie?

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Their individual votes are meaningless, and the influence of these people isn’t much greater, but the real story will be the money and energy these types of Republicans are willing to invest in a Trump campaign. Trump’s interest in “self-funding” his campaign will peter out way before he gets to 9 figures, but all these GOP establishment types he’s alienating are the bundlers that provide the big bucks to campaigns. And the supposedly new voters he is drawing… those will become the hundreds of thousands of volunteers he needs to run a campaign from now until November? Seems doubtful.

Only concern is if they redirect all those funds into the 24 Senate seats the GOP is trying to protect.

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It does seem like the types of voters Trump is attracting aren’t the types of people who have EVER pried their wallets open to actually send money to a candidate. It may indeed all boil down to money, and Trump has been telling his army of depraved misfits he doesn’t need theirs. He certainly can’t come begging for it now, can he?

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