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In the section of the story on Santorum, in the phrase strictest of constitutionalists, the word constitutionalists should be in scare quotes.
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If you are a strict constitutionalist, then you have to accept that the words âa well-regulated militiaâ in the 2nd Amendment have a clear meaning.
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Itâs illustrative of just how confused these folks are that, in their minds, being a âstrict constitutionalistâ involves inventing some third category of citizenship (i.e., in addition to a citizen by birth or a naturalized citizen) that appears nowhere in the Constitution or in any U.S. statute. I forget - which Amendment to the Constitution includes the provision that you can just make shit up?
Itâs a bit like the LDS notion of âcontinuing revelation.â Their scripture isnât the last word - there can always be new stuff, from almost anyone.
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Panama Canal Zone Strongman Almirante Juan McCain strongly disagrees with all this birther nonsense! And, by the way, shouldnât they be going after The Donald? His Maâ was born in Scotland ⌠and he was born in Jamaica (QueensâŚanyway! That canât be ok with the Tea Potty!)
You have to love it when the toxic brews of the Tea Party putzes end up as a poison in their own stew.
And, kids, never try to explain the concept of jus sanguinis to a racist, ignorant Rightie dunce or Tea Potty fool. Itâs almost impossible to do in monosyllables and on bumper stickers.
And, anyway, someone should point out to them that this is all so silly when everyone knows the Kenyan Muslim Maoist Fascist Nazi Communist in the White House is about to declare himself President for Forever and soon will be crowned with a jade helmet by the Illuminati at Walmart. Alex Jones has confirmed it and itâs on FOX and the interwebââŚPeopleâŚwake up!
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No discussion of these types would be complete without a link to this classic Onion article.
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These four campaigns arenât going to talk about this, because as far as they are concerned, its a dead subject.
Now if Santorum is reminded of that comedic incident in March '15, when he was in South Carolina; then maybe its becomes a story.
Right nowâŚshrug. Itâs a non issue.
That is absolutely pricelessâŚand, aside from the Onion, I imagine, not at all an uncommon approach to understanding the Constitution and constitutional history and principles among the great unwashed Rightie Wingnuttery of Baggerstan, U.S. of A.
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The Founders in their wisdom must have had some meaningful contrast in mind when they signed on to the phrase ânatural-born citizenâ. What other kinds of âcitizenâ were they worried about? I suspect they werenât referring to caesarean section and the whole Macbeth thing. Does anyone here have any idea what could have been on their minds?
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Born in the United States or to an American citizen abroad = someone who naturally had American citizenship at birth.
They wanted to exclude naturalized citizens. Thatâs the âother kind of citizen.â
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They want it to be a dead issue â the question is how many of their idiot base will believe this stuff and vote for someone else.
There was a concern that the ignorant American populace, used to living under a King, might secretly wish for one. They feared that a junior member of a European royal family would immigrate here and become a citizen (anyone could come here and become a citizen after 2 years in those days) and then run for President and declare himself King after getting elected and then merge the US with his home nation. It was far-fetched even in those days. But they wanted to exclude naturalized citizens. Hence, Kissinger and Albright and Schwarzenegger, among others.
âMarcoâs father passed Cuban citizenship at birth to Marco Rubio under Cuban law, U.S. law, natural law, and international law,â Kerchner wrote on his blog. âBeing a dual citizen at birth, Marco Rubio is NOT a ânatural born Citizen of the United States.ââ
This is idiocy as written: The United Sates cannot grant Cuban citizenship to anyone any more that Cuban law can grant U.S. citizenship. The views of other nations on who their citizens are does not control the United States decision on who has citizenship here or who is natural born here.
Nor does international law control who nations must claim as citizens.
Nor more does ânatural lawâ control whom countries claim as citizens.
If the âBirthersâ are going to parse words then they need to take ânatural bornâ to itâs logical conclusion, no C-sections, no surrogate births, no test tube babies, no adoptions (canât tell who the real parents were and where they were born)?
Of course logic and Birther in the same sentence is an oxymoron.
Jindal is last in this horse race.
Cruz is lucky that he is the top five/ in the tier one stage.
SantorumâŚthank you Dan Savage?
Rubioâs final stand might be next month.
NoâŚthis issue doesnât really effect them much and it will only affect Cruz should he become the one guyâŚ
Remember when folks wanted to amend that requirement for him?
I think most Americans would welcome an amendment to clarify several things in the constitution that have become ambiguous to our current day and for which the founding fathers could have never anticipated:
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2nd Amendment: The days of the black powder musket and the British sitting off our shores as an imminent threat are long gone. The days of having a local âwell regulated militiaâ are also long gone - now we have the Coast Guard, the National Guard, local and state police, the FBI, the ATF, the US Marshalls, and the 4 branches of the US Military. We no longer have the need of local well regulated militias to defend our nation - period. We also need to define âarmsâ in the context of todayâs technology and with regard to the clear intent of the what the founding fathers envisioned.
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Amend and define what is truly the definition of eligibility to run for the highest office in the land. Itâs pretty clear the founding fathers were guarding against a British royal from masquerading as an American and winning the Presidency. Time for a clear and unambiguous definition via an amendment.
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Amend the birth right to citizenship. The US is now an over populated country. We have 312 million citizens and growingâŚon a land mass that can only sustain between 150 million and 175 million people. Part of our over population crisis stems from not having a national population control program that includes how to minimize unplanned and unwanted births (about 1.8 million per year), addresses the immigration and illegal immigration issue (about 1.1 million in an avg. year in this last decade), and that sends a clear message to those in other countries that you are welcome under certain qualifying conditionsâŚ
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Voting fights actâŚmake it a constitutional amendment and remove Scalia from the discussion. The Republicans have gutted the right to vote and we need to make that #1 priority IF we want to represent ourselves to the world as an equal and fair and upstanding Democracy.
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I do. To be honest the restriction against naturalized citizens being President is dumb.
How odd that we didnât hear a peep from these âstrict Constitutionalistsâ when President Obama was using drones to kill American citizens who hadnât been charged with a crime.