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Good article. Logical. Articulate. And totally wrong.
These GOP hopefuls have access to unlimited funding from the Kochâs and others. If Obamacare does go down in flames, how long do you think it will be before ads appear in Wisconsin (or whatever state) blaming democrats and the President for the actions of conservatives?
Not all of the poor and insurance free individuals will believe these ads, but I suspect enough of them will so that the GOP will be able to elect whomever they please.
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For Wisconsin, this would be a feature, not a bug. Scott Walker never considers the well-being of his residents in his political calculations.
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5 total dirtbags who would turn around and blame the President. Canât say as Iâd feel too awful, they voted for these creeps, they got what they voted for! Not everyone receiving a subsidy is a Democrat.
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Exactly.
This is easy for them. If Obamacare is unconstitutional, blame Obama.
I might add that this would also impact on Hillary, who is also tied in intricately with a failed health care program.
Folks will surely see that repubs donât give a damn about âwe the peopleâ. They have the rich and duped racist ignorant fools as their voters. The workers in the red states will be hurt the most. What fools they are.
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Lew is absolutely right. NONE of these GOP governors are at risk when the corrupted court kills the subsidies because the Republican Propaganda Machine will endlessly blame Obama for this. The blame Obama message will start on Fox, Hate Radio, Right wing newspapers and right wing pulpit pimps. It will resonate 24/7 and be reenforced by the billion dollars that the Koch Brothers will pour into the 2016 campaigns.
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The only person on this list who has even a tiny chance of getting the GOP nomination is Walker, and the voters in Wisconsin have already spoken. Three times. The Walker voters donât give a shit about gutting the ACA, and those who would be harmed by gutting it donât seem to care enough to get to the polls in sufficient numbers to advance their own interests.
Much more important is the fact that this situation highlights the incredibly feckless incompetence of the Democratic Party when it comes to the basics of political communicationsâstrategic positioning, message framing, repetition, and aggression. Itâs been lacking since the ACA was signed by Obama, and continues to this day. If Debbie Waste of Space Schultz and her filet-munching and scotch-guzzling confreres in the DNC had the remotest inking of how to do their jobs, the Dems would have had a coordinated, loud, pervasive, and consistent messaging and PR campaign going as soon as it became apparent that the Supremes were going to hear the case. Not to influence the Court, but to prepare the Democratic Party for the inevitable onslaught of GOP lies. Instead, what weâve seen over the last months is what we always see from the Democrats: disconnected, unorganized, and uncoordinated statements by random Dems from Obama on down that have no single powerful message, no consistent coherent point, and no possibility of penetrating the fog of GOP horseshit.
What makes the Dem incompetence all the more damaging is that thereâs no evidence that any of themâincluding those in the Obama administrationâunderstand how toxic the media environment is for Democratic positions, regardless of the issue. The GOP has the gigantic advantage of having a lavishly-funded and almost ubiquitous 24/7/365 propaganda channel working on its behalf that it doesnât have to pay for, along with a wide range of other radio ranters, TV talking heads, pundits and grifters, all pushing Republican talking points with remarkable consistency and disregard of facts. One of the great failures of the Democratic Party over the last two decades has been its inability or disinterest in helping to establish a countervailing media presence to Fox, and this has made the failures in effective communications by the party itself particularly critical.
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It hurts their states, particularly the poorer people in those states, but it has very little if any impact upon their national aspirations. Governors in particular are more immune to any new fall out, because they arenât the ones in D.C., so voters tend to give them a pass on national legislative issues.
There are a lot of ifs, what ifs and maybes to consider before the white flag is raised.
Pessimism leads to more pessimism. I believe that solutions will be found and in the end, healthcare for all will be better and stronger.
If Iâm not mistaken, it was 5 years in the making before Social Security paid out the first check. It has the word âsocialâ in it and has been despised by the Republicans from the get and just like with Obamacare, there are simple fixes to make it viable for ever.
So, the Repubs will wage their unending war on social services and the public at large and we will fight back, this is the unfortunate norm and why we are Democrats and why we have a great Democratic President with the very real shot at having many more in a row.
This is worth the battle, I know that it is to me.
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âŚand they still keep re-electing himâŚ
The #s arenât that big and their political calculation is that most of those getting subsidies werenât going to be voting republican anyway. Remember they all believe Romney s 47% theory and people getting subsidies are takers not makersâŚsad but that is their mind set.
boy is every word you said sad but true.
If the Supreme Court decides to âlet Congress fix itâ, and the GOP Congress doesnât, then donât the Democrats have a great big cudgel with which to whack those âuncaring Repubsâ with their âdeath panelsâ prior to the 2016 election?
I disagree with the analysis here. Though theyâre against âObamacareâ, none of these candidates would be likely to take personal ownership of the SCâs actions were they to blow it up. Theyâd lament the pain that the SC caused and blame it on âcut corners as democrats rammed the law throughâ or some such. Then theyâd lie about feeling the pain of those affected and further lie about having a workable plan to do something about it.
Youâd certainly have RWM amplifying the blame-placing, and the MSM would hardly question a SC opinion formally and would turn it into a boring process story, diffusing the blame. So, given our broken media, and since the SC did it rather than legislators, I can easily believe that republican candidates could avoid any real fallout.
Exactly why I hope SCROTUS rules in favor of King. All the money in the world wonât hide the fact that Republicans are responsible for what happens in their states. The elderly idiot brigade may not be able to see it, but they are dying off every day. The voters in those states deserve to get what they voted for. And not only deserve, but itâs morally right as well, we need to honor the majority vote.
What you are missing is that the Democratic members of Congress almost all are owned by the same people who own the Republican members. They are very limited in what they can campaign on. For example, I just received a ballot from the Democrats asking me to rate various problems, but there is no mention of the gross income and wealth discrepancy between the 1% (who own both parties) and the rest of us. That is perhaps the most serious problem we face, but you canât express that thought on that ballot. All their owners allow of the Democrats in Congress is token approval of Obamacare, so thatâs all we will ever get.