Discussion: Tenn. Bill That Lets Counselors Deny Service To LGBT People Heads To Guv

Additionally, even if the hospital is private, the municipality and/or state that licensed them to open up in the first place might step in and revoke their license due to regional need. In other words, the municipality will tell them, “Look, if you wish to have the facility here, you must provide services A, B, C, D & F. If not, fine, we’ll find another outfit who will be willing to serve the community more globally.” Private hospitals are pretty rare in America nowadays, but they are still accountable to their community.

They best not be treating any adulterers… if they have the standards they profess

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I wonder if this extends to other professionals in other fields? A town has one certified crisis/hostage negotiator on their police department. He’s aces at what he does. He’s summoned to an LGBT tavern where some crazy homophobe has taken 6 patrons hostage at gunpoint.

“Oh, this is the Rainbow Stonewall Bar. Sorry, you’re on your own, I can’t negotiate the release of gay hostages, their lifestyle runs counter to my religious beliefs.”

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It can get litigated and it will still happen. Not everyone will report it, some people may just accept it as a given. Some people may be too traumatized to deal with any further action. My point being, some private hospitals are willing to try and get away with it.

This is really about protecting the income of Christian based counseling in the profession. Most preachers no longer do one on one counseling, preferring to send the congregant to a practice like Marcus Bachmann’s. Insurance and Medicaid picks up the bill in most cases.

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Silly you! That’s what the stones out back are for.

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As a retired physician, I’m quite aware of ER protocols. My point, albeit a hyperbolic one, was to suggest that the depraved political minds at work in the South and elsewhere in relation to the LGBT community, minds that could come up with the legislation proposed here, might also propose some insane piece of legislation in another case…however idiotic that legislative proposal might be. I suppose my haste made my ability to make that point clearly somewhat askew at best this time, huh?

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There may legitimately be reasons that a licensed counselor cannot and should not enter into a therapeutic relationship with a client. An example might be if the counselor suffered sexual abuse as a child and a client presents with that issue, the counselor should refer that client to a counselor who doesn’t have that in their background to avoid transference issues. But that’s not the issue here. This is an attempt to legislate discrimination under the guise of religious freedom. If I simply refused to treat Christians because I believe them to be morally decrepit and irretrievably out to fucking lunch, without making the attempt to refer them to a competent therapist, I’d have my license yanked in a heartbeat.

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Totally this! Let the neanderthals pass their legislation and then the accrediting agency should require any therapist applying for accreditation if they would refuse to counsel anyone based on their orientation. If the applicant answers yes, then they should be denied accreditation based on willingness to discriminate, and if the answer no, and then proceed to do so, they can have their license revoked.

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There may be a silver lining here. Can you imagine the harm done to an innocent person getting counseled by someone who disapproves of them, or is even repulsed by them? The down side is that it gives cover to bigots, but the ones who will benefit from this are the patients.

Not to worry … can always make it up by more cuts to education –

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Until the country as a whole or the Supreme Court decides to make being gay a protected class with all the attendant protections under our civil rights laws, this kind of shit will continue to happen in the most ignorant and bigoted places, north or south of the Mason Dixon line. It’s already perfectly legal to fire someone in some parts of the country for being gay or denying housing to gay people…and the list probably goes on and on. This is just another way for a State to continue to legislate discrimination based on ignorance and bigotry and codify it into a law.

Unfortunately SCOTUS only ruled that marriage could not be discriminated against when it came to the law, overturning all the DOMA laws that States had put in place. The people that supported DOMA could not prove any harm to others through the act of getting married.

Until this is challenged on equal protection rights basis in federal court, these horrible state laws will continue to be concocted by people that want to discriminate against LGBT people. That’s what this fucking Governor is hoping to get away with…and I tend to think at this point, sadly, he may very well succeed…unless there’s some visible moral outrage or economic backlash on their State.

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Tennessee = Morality is in the eye of the self righteous.

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The way a bigot can avoid treating a patient they don’t want due to the sexual orientation of the patient is to make it clear either through advertising or verbal cues their sincerely-held Dominionist religious beliefs. Eventually, the profession will shake loose practitioners who violate the rules that regulate credentialing and licensing (I haven’t heard that it’s even a problem).

Seriously, though, I cannot understand why TN wishes to rehash old stuff and put in jeopardy the state’s reputation with regards to mental health treatment. These sorts of issues/questions were answered thirty, forty years ago – by the profession’s accrediting, association affiliation and licensing boards. The legislature there is playing with fire.

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LOL! Wish I could give you ten more “Likes” for that. Thanks for my morning laughter!!

Has President Obama signed the ‘Tennessee Do-Not-Resuscitate’ order yet?

Keep the R.

R stands for so many things.

Racist
Rapist
Rat Bastard
Redundant
Refuse (noun: garbage, rubbish, trash, waste)
Regressive
Repressive
Robber Baron
Rude
Rural
Ruthless

:+1: Yes – good advice - except in the case of the GOP & the RWNJ’s - they mostly seem to be wildly fondling it to the point of going blind!