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And whatās funny is these clowns are still playing to the base. How twisted is the pretzel-logic going to have to be when playing to not-nutjobs who donāt already plan to vote for one of the clown-car survivor participants?
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Canāt stand the guy, but this is not āflip floppingā, this is a position evolving. Just like Obama did not āflip flopā on gay marriage, his position evolved.
Flip flopping is when you say one thing to one group, then another thing to a different group, etc. Mitt Romney was a big flip flopper. Itās basically going back and forth on a position based on who you are speaking to (hence the term āflip flopā).
Frankly, ANY candidate who canāt change a position based on new conditions or a reevaluation of the issue is useless. Those are the types that can never admit they were wrong. I have no use for people like that.
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Surely heās now also in favor of sanctioning all those irresponsible employers?
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I agree that his position might be evolving, but more likely, it is that Cruz constantly has his wet index finger in the wind, to determine which way the political winds are blowing, so that he can āevolveā his positions. Politico ran an interesting comparison between Cruz & Nixon, written by Rich Lowery of all people; he posits that Cruz hears what other candidates are saying & then āborrowsā their positions as his own. āevolving positions?ā I donāt think so. Cynical politics? I think so.
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Trump has a baseball bat and Rubio has a frying pan. Cruz is in the middle and has a pen with an eraser.
Iāll go with ācynical politicsā in lieu of āevolvingā, I like that. But we both agree itās not āflip floppingā, the headline is not accurateā¦but itās catchy.
Contrary to his claims, Cruz flip flopped so that he could campaign on a narrative of fear to advance his political ambitions.
āNo. 1, bringing in people who are not high-skilled, bringing in medium- and low-skilledā¦ā
So true. If only immigrants would all leave millions of Americans would flock to the low skill sector of the economy, perfectly willing to toil away in the hot sun picking fruits and vegetables, mowing golf courses, changing hotel beds, washing dishes and a host of other menial, physically taxing tasks. Oh, and for minimal wages, as an incoming GOP Prez will do everything possible to roll back or eliminate the minimum wage, or at minimum fight states raising theirs individually. Also, since the EPA and OSHA will have to be gutted those workers are on their own as to safety on the job. And we'll exempt their employers from overtime rules, assuring they can be whipped to work 12 hours days at straight hourly pay. Yes, if not for immigrants Americans would have those jobs and be happy performing them.
By Benjamin Powell
To forgo a repeat of last year, when labor shortages triggered an estimated $140 million in agricultural losses, as crops rotted in the fields, officials in Georgia are now dispatching prisoners to the stateās farms to help harvest fruit and vegetables.
The labor shortages, which also have affected the hotel and restaurant industries, are a consequence of Georgiaās immigration enforcement law, HB 87, which was passed last year. As State Rep. Matt Ramsey, one of the billās authors, said at the time, āOur goal is ā¦ to eliminate incentives for illegal aliens to cross into our state.ā
Now he and others are learning: Be careful what you wish for, because you may get more than you bargained for.
Georgiaās law, similar to those in Alabama, Arizona and a few other states, gives police the authority to demand immigration documentation from suspects when they detain them for other possible violations. The law also makes it more difficult for businesses to hire workers and creates harsher punishments for those who employ or harbor illegal immigrants.
The Pew Hispanic Center estimated that some 425,000 illegal immigrants lived in Georgia when the legislation was passed ā seventh highest in the nation. Those numbers are now down, as hoped for, but the stateās economy is paying a heavy price.
The dirty secret that everybody knew was that most of the stateās agricultural workers were immigrants, many of them illegal. Some lived in the state; others migrated with the harvest from southern Florida up to New York and back. Some of the former have moved away, while many of the latter are bypassing Georgia. Without them, according to a University of Georgia study, farmers were about 40 percent short of the number of workers they needed to harvest last yearās crop.
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āNot politically motivatedā??? HAHAHAHAā¦was he lying then or is he lying NOW! Cāmon. Tech workers have been whining about the H1b visas for DECADES and been ignored by the GOP as they caved into the business interests and kept increasing the number to come in. They ābelievedā that TECH is mainly Democrat and saw no āpolitical reasonā to study the issue when t hey could get money from business CEOs. NOW after alienating women and brown skinned people they are trying desperately to capture the highly paid techiesā¦not politically motivated, my ass.
MrComments: sure, anyone can evolve on an issue, except for maybe ben carson. but just recently wasnāt it his tedness that was saying his immigration position was just a trick to sabotage the bill he was vocally supporting? iām not giving ted an evolving pass on this one.
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ā¦Itās good that oil prices are down. Just think of all thatās needed for the Wannabesā weather vanes just blowinā with the wind.
Read my subsequent comment, I agreed with a person who preferred to use the term ācynical politicsā to āevolvingā. Not a flip flop for sure, but definitely cynical.
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MrComments: I agreed with a person who preferred to use the term ācynical politicsā to āevolvingā. Not a flip flop for sure, but definitely cynical.
tedās got all the really good adjectives going for him. cynical. dishonest. disgusting. self-serving. smarmy. butt-licking. reptilian. rodential. back stabbing. unctuous. weaselly. ā¦ some pretty good nouns too!
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āNo. 1, bringing in people who are not high-skilled, bringing in medium- and low-skilled (information technology) workers and then firing American workers and, adding insult to injury, forcing the American workers to train their foreign replacements.ā
Because reality wonāt cooperate, the right-wing runs on unrepresentative anecdote. Iām sure what this quote describes has happened. More than once. But whatās relevant is not whether it happens, but how often compared to the benefits of wider immigration. And not oneānot a singe oneāof the interviewers ever challenges these andecdotes in this way. The gun huggers, for instance, wave away as anecdotes all the mass shooting and maimings from the proliferation of guns by saying that freedumb is more valuable than all those lives, but no one waves away their concerns about immigrants taking jobs or welfare cheaters or Muslim terrorists in our midsts.
This demonstrates, again, that āprogressivesā and āliberalsā donāt know SHIT about the H-1B.
The H-1B is NOT an immigration mechanism. You can look it up. It simply isnāt. Itās a temporary visa, which brings in scabs from SE Asia mostly to steal jobs from Americans. So the rest of the codswallop you are blathering about is crap.
Disney, SC Edison, Qualcomm, Toys-R-India, CT Edison - time after time, company after company, highly qualified American IT workers have been tossed on their ears and replaced by Indian scabs, most of whom are incompetents. In the case of SC Edison, we now have a nuclear plant under the control of the enemies of the US - Indian IT workers, who may be working for the Indian Army, and who are not friends of the US or the American citizen.
The H-1B has been used to steal hundreds of thousands of jobs from Americans, to hire scabs at lower wages, and to deny American workers jobs. The current scam that Obama, that asshole, is trying to promote is the OPT practical training extension. This rancid piece of crap that Obama is cramming down our throat allows businesses to hire foreign scabs.
And gives them a $10,000 tax reduction to do so. The hiring of the foreign scabs gets the employer a huge tax reduction - no SS, no medicaid. Itās a horrible deal for US workers.
And Obama has crammed other shit sandwiches down the STEM community for the last 8 years. What a complete asshole he is. Remember that guy in TX who didnāt have a job. Obama was totally amazed, but this happens to hundreds of thousands of US IT workers.
Thanks, Obama, you piece of lying crap.
Obama is the enemy of the US IT worker now. His recent decision to allow wives of H-1Bs to get jobs (100,000 US jobs will be gone), and the decision to extend the OPT period will cost millions of US IT workers new jobs and lead to the loss of jobs for many, hundreds of thousands.
Thanks, Obama, you piece of lying crap.
Canāt like this enough. The complexities of immigration policy (and, yes, H1B visas are part of immigration policy) are lost on most Americans, especially those loudest about barring people from coming to the US. The H1B visas are intended to fill positions not fillable by US workers and, yes, some companies game the system (shocker there) and some jobs are taken that could be filled by citizens. However, no one seems to want to address the balance between good effects and harmful effects or to make changes that merely make it more difficult to game the system. Instead, they want to rail against existing policy and throw it all out, as in Georgia. Our main problem is that one party really just wants a wedge issue and whips up fervor by spewing anecdotes and allegations to get elected and then once elected are stuck with the radical positions and canāt address real problems any more.
Itās easy for him to favor suspending the H1b program at the current level because the expansion his donors wanted was passed as part of the December Omnibus Spending bill. Heās closing the gate after he chased the horse out of the corral.