““plagiarized” an oft-repeated line from Alexis de Tocqueville, one that’s been used by used by everyone from Bill Clinton and Dwight D. Eisenhower to Ronald Reagan and Pat Buchanan.”
HA!
Man, these guys got nothing! This crap, and Brit whining that Hillary sounds gasp like a, shall I say it? A woman!
Poor, poor misogynist baggers. I can’t wait until election night results in which Hillary sweeps the country with a blow-out win!
Well the GOP can take comfort in that Trump will never “plagerize” Thomas Jefferson by using any of the phrasing in the Decleration of Independence, or pilfering James Madison and his team. Because as the awesome Mr. Kahn so brilliantly asked, with the implication that he hadn’t, Trump has never bothered to read such things.
Cry me a river, will ya?
The Team Trump is crying wolf and thus has no basis for their argument.
It’s simply time to end the discussion of plagarism in speeches. In science, plagarism is well defined. There are places in scientific papers where plagarism is NOT enforced, in fact - in the methods section, the rules for plagarism are way different than in the Introduction or Conclusion sections. In speeches, especially political speeches, there are LONG-USE tropes and memes which are repeated frequently. The rules should be different for such speeches.
Oh yawn…get back to us you petty little FKS when someone lifts and ENTIRE PARAGRAPH. Maybe then we’ll chat.
Well, it isn’t copyrighted, but if I went around claiming I came up with “Four score and seven years ago” I could rightly be accused of plagerizing Lincoln.
That’s actually incorrect. In the public domain or not, the use of direct quotes from de Tocqueville would require a reference and quotations. Being in the public domain is no defense in plagarism. You quote and reference. However, speeches can and should be considered in a different way from written text.
If only there were some way you could could avoid having to read all this bad language.
OH fuck!
I just spit/laughed coffee all over my laptop…DAMN IT!
I was speaking of a legal definition of plagiarism. Common, recognizable quotations from uncopyrighted authors in the public domain should not be considered plagiarism, legally or otherwise.
An interesting example. If I stated “Four score and seven years ago”, it would be patently obvious that I was quoting. People do that a lot in speeches - famous lines are quoted, and it is a test in some ways to see if you get the reference. It’s so famous that almost everyone will recognize it. Your use would be OK, as long as you did not EXPLICITELY state that you came up with it. If you said that, folks would figure that you were nuts.
“America is great because America is good.”
That’s almost exactly the same as “Russia, please hack my opponent.”
Plagiarism is probably covered in the second year at Wharton, which would be why Trump doesn’t know what it is. Likewise for your Eastern European architecture universities.
Unless you’re Josh Marshall, that decision here isn’t yours. So mind your own fucking business.
You are mixing up “copyright” and “plagarism”. From Villenova U:
“Plagiarism vs. Public Domain
While copyright infringement and plagiarism are both prohibited and often overlap, they are different. Plagiarism is the act of falsely claiming to be the author of material actually authored by another. That claim may be overt or implied (by failing to cite the actual author) and may involve an entire work or a portion of one work incorporated into another work. Copyright infringement occurs when a person engages in unauthorized use of another’s copyrighted material in a manner violating the copyright owner’s exclusive rights, regardless of whether proper attribution is given.
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Proper attribution should still be given to authors of public domain works even though public domain works may be used without permission.”
And if Hillary had said “In the words of Alexis de Tocqueville…” you would have called her “an elitist talking over the heads of Real Americans”! Right?
Now, if Hillary had ripped off de Tocqueville’s bio and tried to pass it off as her own, that would have been plagiarism. And exactly what Malaria did in her “values” claims.
Maybe. But you still can’t copy word-for-word as Mrs. Trump and her speechwriter did.
My opinion is a minority one. I don’t hold that what she did was plagarism. There was a short section of word-for-word quoting. The sentiment and theme were the same or very similar. However, I am sure that you will agree that the meme of “my parents taught me to work hard” is very old, like from Cicero or something.
She used one fairly recognizable phrase from de Tocqueville. The attribution is understood. There was nothing wrong with her usage of that one phrase. Period.
Ah - you think I am quibbling with HRC’s use of de Tocqueville - far from it. I think people should be free to use stuff in speeches at a much different level than in a published piece of scholarly work. I don’t care if she quoted from de Tocqueville in the slightest. We are all quoting from someone else half the time anyway.