Discussion: Study: American Presidents Are Guided By Wealthy Elites

More than you? You don’t have any, so it’s not very hard.

Most of the big banks weren’t in that bad of shape. In fact, WaMu was solvent, except for it’s real estate investing side - Bear Stearns and Lehman, not so much.

The problem was not “bailing the banks.” The failure came in not insisting on meaningful reform so they couldn’t fuck up to the same degree again.

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Johnson would have had all their balls in a sling. Obama did not use the bully pulpit sufficiently. He needed to shame both sides of the aisle and not seek some grand compromise with the Rethugs who hate him to a man and woman.

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In the ACA debate Obama didn’t use his bully pulpit. (He’s got no problem using it now to side with the Republicans on the TPP. So, he can be tough when he wants to.)
How could Obama not get any Republican votes on the ACA when it was a Republican plan from the Heritage Foundation that was almost identical to RomneyCare?

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you anti-Obama folk
[/quote] I supported Obama vigorously for 6 years. I was so happy when he first got elected, I cried. But too much evidence has piled up that he is - in his heart-of-hearts - a Republican. In this conversation, I cut him a little slack by suggesting it’s the money thing. Wall Street owns him. They will make him very wealthy when he leaves office.

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One of the wimpiest presidents ever in the use of the bully pulpit to defend his policies.

It will serve him well in private life. I predict he’ll end up every bit as wealthy as the Clintons for his service to the billionaristocracy.

creating more intra-elite competition

Like Dancing With The Stars, Keeping Up With The Kardashians, or The Real Housewives of [Insert Rich Enclave Here]?

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To everyone mocking the study for stating the obvious: there is a difference between just assuming that something is the case and actually proving it with hard data. The difference is called science, and it is not the same as journalism.

Copernicus assumed that the earth was circling the sun. So did Galileo Galilei. But only Kepler provided the scientific prove for it. Anyone wants to take a shot at Kepler for mathematically demonstrating the obvious?

This study is a pretty big deal for actually proving something which people suspected all along, but could not really prove in any meaningful way.

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This is just nonsense. I remember that he toured the country giving speech after speech pitching his health care plan. At times (most times) it seemed like he was the only Democrat doing this. But I’ll give you the opportunity to explain which of his policies needed more of the “bully pulpit”.

This is pure speculation, and is simply your opinion. As for me, I wish him well in private life, as he certainly deserves it.

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Are you seriously so naive to think that the Heritage plan was anything more than a Republican attempt to put forward a plan to “show” that they were not in principle against healthcare. They abandoned it almost as soon as it was proposed.

It got no Republican votes because they wanted no part of giving Democrats, and Obama in particular, any credit for passing it. Elementary take no prisoners Republican politics.

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Obama is clearly not Johnson. Johnson was clearly not Obama. They lived in different times, had different styles. Johnson’s style certainly did him and us no good in Vietnam.

The fact remains that Obama succeeded, where many other Democrats failed, from Truman to Clinton.

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A people’s President, rich people yes but people none the less. (Poor people are for photo ops)

No way. The voting electorate that keeps thinking like that and letting Republicans get elected to office with the defeatist attitude suck as bad as Bush. Obama was not included in this study in case you didn’t notice.

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Really over the top, and just your biased opinion.
Obama is diplomatic not wimpy, big difference.

All Politicians believe it or not cater to the rich, and part of the problem is defeatist Democrat attitudes that let Reagans and Republican houses get elected that give us RW SCOTUSES who give unlimited donations policies like Citizen’s United.
Until there’s campaign reform the 1% will own politicians to some degree.

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I’m investing in pitchfork and guillotine futures.

It’s the logical outcome, and it’s what always happens eventually, because the greedy are unable to control their avarice.

You’re right of course.

But snarky comments are so much more fun!

And, of course, the results of this scientific study are headed directly for the memory hole; there won’t be any ‘national conversation’ around this.

And it will still be true…

Well, let’s see what the conservative ideologues on the Supreme Court have to say.

If they knock it down on a stupid technicality then it wasn’t all that much of an achievement at all, now was it?

And that’s on him and his fellow Democrats.

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Guided by wealthy elites? Hell they are wealthy elites and always have been. Wealthy people are the only ones with the time and money to run for office and serve in office if they win. The rest of us have to work for a living.

He then went practically silent as the GOP attacked the plan year after year. His non-existent defense is a major reason that other Democrats remained silent on the ACA in the last two elections.

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If they knock it down on a stupid technicality then it wasn’t all that much of an achievement at all, now was it?

And that’s on him and his fellow Democrats.

I can see that logic and common sense are not your strong points. You’re saying that if a Republican Supreme Court,achieves their goal of dismantling healthcare, then it’s on Democrats?

You clearly relish this outcome. You must be a Republican.

Well, I think it was the other way around. In any case, seeing how anti-Obama you are makes me feel less concerned about your anti-Clinton views.

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