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Why is that an argument?
The Trump republicans want to send them all back.
Pick one of two sides.
Look, the United States, and President Trump specifically, promised the Dreamers that they would be taken care of. If you want the US to break its word; if you want hundreds of thousands of young people to be arrested, dragged from homes and schools and workplaces, placed in detention centers and then shipped off, fine. Vote Republican. I think that’s wrong, along with 80% of Americans. So I’ll vote Democrat. There’s no debate here. Now fuck off.
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Those commenters, which I proudly admit to be one of, didn’t count on the shutdown turning against Democrats. It appears those who were in favor of continuing the shutdown didn’t count on that either. Both sides missed that while Americans support the Dreamers, they don’t support shutting down the government over it.
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That’s nice. Now run along, your underrock domicile beckons.
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Polling turned on Democrats. Sticking with a losing strategy just so you can pat yourself on the back is pretty stupid.
Remember, Republicans shutdown the government for a lot longer in an attempt repeal O’care. They went on to be “punished” by picking up ten Senate seats.
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Well, of course, it would have, because republicans would never have budged a millimeter.
Still in DC and I can see the top of the Washington Monument from the window.
We’ll survive, but we need to get rid of a lot of trash.
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Fantastic news for Team Blue: Democrat Margaret Good just flipped a GOP held state house seat in FL. This district, FL HD 72, is in Sarasota, in GOP controlled SW FL. This is a R +10 district and the GOP candidate is James Buchanan, the son of current GOP Congressman from the area, Vern Buchanan. Trump won this district by 5 pts. Good outraised Buchanan, had a great, issue focused agenda, got a lot of outside support, and was +20 among Indies. Unlike 2016, she ran even with Buchanan in the Election Day vote and ended up kicking Buchanan’s ass 52-45. She outperformed the polls, the district PVI, everything. This is a 12 point shift in the Dems favor. This race had real $ and nationalized attention. GOP sent Lewandowski down there complete with ‘lock her up’ chants to pump up the GOP base. It worked - turnout was much higher than expected, and Good still won because Democratic women were a larger portion of the electorate.
This win is additional evidence that the reach of the Dem wave is more than HRC districts. It extends well into Trump territory. Basically, with the right candidate Dems can win in pro R PVI districts. Huge win tonight!
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I don’t think we really know how it would have shook out if Democrats had stood their ground for any significant length of time. Some commenters above (not you) seem to be suggesting that the GOP could have held out indefinitely. That seems very unlikely to me. The poll numbers I saw showed more people blaming Trump and the GOP for the shutdown than were blaming Dems. Yes, polling also showed a majority saying that keeping the government open was more important than the DACA issue. But that works both ways – the GOP was blocking the government from re-opening by opposing something most Americans want. And the bottom line was still that the GOP is running the government and needed to get it re-opened at some point, or else they couldn’t move onto anything else.
Could we have won that messaging war? Or at least won on DACA by standing our ground, even if it cost us some public opinion points in the short term? Maybe, maybe not.
Sadly, we’ll never know, because a handful of spineless Dems caved at the first sign of trouble, and left their colleagues and leadership twisting in the wind.
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Because they demonstrated to their base that they were willing to go to mat for issues that mattered to their base, even if they took a beating for it in the press and the polls in the short term.
Democrats just demonstrated exactly the opposite, and risk the opposite outcome.
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We all keep forgetting that we’re negotiating with hostage takers who took the hostages, not to negotiate, but with the expressed intent of killing the hostages.
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Sweet.
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So, they have two choices.
Which one?
Answer the question. The party now in power who wants to send them to unknown places, or the other, who can keep them here?
Please reformulate your comment as a coherent question and I will try to answer.
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Damn iPad.
Still, don’t play dumb. You ignored me before.
I am part of the Democratic base. I grew up never knowing when my dad was going to get furloughed by Newt Gingrich and his band of thieves. It was stressful, it was a part of family life. Keeping the federal government running night and day is important to me. It’s an issue that matters to me.
When you’re told to pick your poison, “Actually, I won’t be having any poison today, thank you” isn’t one of the options.
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Maybe not, but I really don’t believe the Democratic argument to continue the shutdown would’ve worn well over time. I tend to think that as federal workers were furloughed, shutting down the government over Dreamers would’ve been an incredibly untenable argument. It would’ve perfectly fed into the longtime Republican argument that Democrats don’t care about “real Americans” AKA white people.
I just don’t think quitting while you’re ahead is a sign of spinelessness. As I said in another thread, I’d just be happy with a clean DACA bill that includes a three year extension. It’s not ideal by any means, but I think it’s also the best we can hope for in the current political climate.
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Actually, I think this is almost boundless optimism.
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Going for the win in midterms?
Don’t trust the republicans.
But like the election last year, who’s telling them something else? Desperate people make bad choices.