Discussion: Stone To Appear In DC Court For Arraignment On Tuesday

Stone said that “There are no circumstances I would plead guilty” . . . because that would be telling the truth, and I NEVER do that.

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A personality trait that Stone seems to share with Trump.

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Stone is in a lot of trouble. The witness tampering statute he violated (in writing) has a 20 year penalty. No way that Stone can wear his spats shoes, cuff links, and double breasted suits in jail. Plus, the issues for trial are really cut and dry. Mueller ought to be able to go to a jury in 6 months max.

Mueller knows the answer that Stone was talking with/taking orders from Trump, and he has the leverage to get that testimony from Stone, or Stone will spend the rest of his life in jail…

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Is anyone else tired of Stone’s refusal “to bear false witness” formulation to describe lying? I wonder when he last attended church. Sanctimonious jerk.

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Stone will be staying in the Trump Hotel, free of charge, in the I"LL Pardon You Suite.

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What Roger is doing here is putting on a show, but behind the scenes he thinks he has leverage because he is at the fulcrum of a big international conspiracy. He was the backchannel between the Trump campaign and Wikileaks as well as the Trump campaign and GRU. That’s because Roger was an advisor to the campaign and is therefore an extension of it for the purposes of establishing the Trump campaign’s liability. Roger knows that if he has anything to give Mueller, he’ll give it up in exchange for a deal. The thing is Mueller may already have what he needs and is just f***ing w/Roger b/c…well…why not? Where Roger could have value is in detailing anything of his conversations with Trump. Mueller may have already seized it in the raids today. He’s going to jail for a long time. He would have to provide something compelling and documentary to get a deal, like audio/video/voice mails etc.

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My wish list for what Stone would provide begins with clear and convincing evidence that directly implicates many, many others.

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I think this guy just might meet his maker long before cohen does.
like, a damn shark got him while swimming in the ocean.
or, he jumped right in front of that Cadillac.
we will see how long he lasts after he folds like a wet dishrag.

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Stone said that “There are no circumstances I would plead guilty” to the charges.

Mueller: Good. See you at trial. By the way, we got you dead to rights. So you might want to settle your affairs before the final sentencing hearing.

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Synagogue. I get the sense he is secular. He married a shiksa and is an open swinger. And apes Brits and old line WASPS in his sartorial conceits.

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Yeah. Let’s all go to trial. And let the Government supersede the indictment and add some new charges from other aspects of the Russian Collusion a month before trial, like they do.

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Sweet, sweet words.

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A beautiful line, jackson. In full disclosure, I confess it is my favorite men’s style.

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Because it is classic. But one thing is to dress classic. Another is to ape the Masters who looked down upon Stone’s ancestors when they came to this country, along with Italians, Poles, Puerto Ricans, Asians and everyone else. When I worked on Wall St back in the 80s, the most ostentatious British style dressers, and users of fake or real tortoise shell specs were a couple of generations removed from when their grandparents were scorned by the very people whose dress and accessories (suspenders, fountain pens, pocket squares, Wing tip shoes) they now religiously displayed. You can throw in Pomade, once its 1950’s association with Italians and Latinos had sufficiently dissipated.

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My dear Sir, I thought I was the only one interested in the sociology of clothing. Your conclusions are accurate. I would stress however that the alternative for them eytes, polaks, asians and every other type of undesirable, was coming over from the peasant class. Humans like to wear the clothing of the powerful class whatever country they’re from. A peasant woman from Italy or a female factory worker from Manchester were considered as ‘getting above their station’ if they wore a hat.
But I would also add - what else does the male have to go back on? I feel the 20’s was the apogee of men’s style, and let’s not forget the golden age of the Harlem Renaissance, the influence of Central and South American styles in the 40’s, the post-war rise of leisure wear for men which meant a differing idea of manhood from the previous decades.
Although, I must state that women’s clothing is my area of expertise - call me out and teach me something if I’m wrong.
ps - I covered the history and meaning of the zoot suit w/ matt this summer, so as you can see, I will ALWAYS be glad to digress when the subject is style.

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I missed that discussion (Zoot Suits). I have little to now expertise on it except to have viewed the PBS documentary on the Zoot Suit Riots. Never saw the Broadway Play Zoot Suit that made Edward James Olmos famous before his first movie, The Ballad of Gregorio Cortez made him even more famous and his taciturn thin black tie wearing commanding officer on Miami Vice made him uber famous.
Before either his play or movie were out, PBS showed a movie about Texas Mexican American Juan Antonio Seguin. Olmos played Mexican General Santa Ana of Alamo infamy, who was intent on capturing and murdering Seguin in that movie.

Just a side note. Having spent most of my childhood in the Tropics and being the son of a career military officer, my sense of what is classic is probably military uniform and Tropic wear influenced. Which is probably also very heavily Brit infuenced now that I think about it. I didnt see a Haspel khaki or olive green suit until I moved to the Mainland. And I never saw a single Puerto Rican male inhabitant wear a Seersucker suit. They would have laughed him out of the Hato Rey Business District.

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There is a good series on PBS called 'Voces" which features docs by and about Latino subjects. They’ve done some outstanding ones - including one on the making of the film “Giant” which was so interesting - all told from the POV of the Latino extras they cast and who lived in the town where they shot it.

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I can’t bear seersucker myself. it’s one step above double knit polyester in my list of ‘things I would never be caught dead wearing’. I’d say that the island cultures of Puerto Rico and others had the influence of the Brits Abroad on the power structure - but North America (mexico) central and south america really did have their own thing going on.
Now of course, it’s jeans and t-shirts everywhere in every corner of the globe for men. not that there’s anything wrong with that. but again, male global fashion history is not my strong suit (no pun intended)