Or, you have ReaLiberals like Stewart calling out Grimes for being evasive yet totally ignoring the fact that McConnell refused to sit down with the editorial boards. Or, you have Grimes getting the endorsements from all the major papers in KY but absolutely no mention of that in the national media.
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I also think that will be the truth. I am old enough to realize, that my party has had a messaging problem for decades now. For years, even before Fox and the huge right wing media empire, they allowed the word liberal to be turned into a dirty word, and for years they ran from that title.
If my party could just start doing what the right does, get their talking points together, and start repeating them over and over in unison, then maybe they could help change the narrative. Running from this President, and the great accomplishments he has made, when he inherited a total mess from that other party, just confirms the media narrative.
This is why I love Warren, and use her as an example, because she refuses to allow our right wing media to get away with their false narrative. Just think what we could do if many other Dems did the same, as she does manage to get herself in the news almost daily, and there is a reason why so many Dems would love to see her run for President.
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The thing is that neither Warren nor Sanders has to give these weak assed answers because they can get elected just fine running with the president. Iâm sorry, but there is simply no way Grimes or some of these senators in ruby red states can even look like theyâre remotely on Obamaâs side. I think a lot of folks think there is some way you can reason with these red state voters. You canât because theyâre not operating from a reasonable place. Youâre not going to convince some fool from Eastern KY to vote for the candidate that supports the nig-uh black guy. The guy who has spent his entire life saying, âI may be poor, I may be ugly, and I may be fat but at least Iâm not blackâ isnât going to give up the one thing he holds onto, the one thing that allows him to sleep at night because Grimes or Landrieu makes some great argument about the presidentâs policies. I think a lot of good and decent Democrats really donât understand the depths of white racial resentment and how it distorts most aspects of their lives. In Ky, for example, theyâd rather their children die of treatable illnesses and diseases than accept help from a black guy.
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There is little if anything I disagree with in what you say there.
What bothers me is that I fear making these points at this particular time, in the last days of a hard-fought and close election campaign, particularly one that is being mainly run in red states, risks doing more harm than good to the cause of getting more Dems elected, and thus of keeping control of the Senate. Frankly, I donât much care right now how they get there as long as they do get there.
I get your point that these people are already doing damage by not standing by Obama. But by this stage, they have committed to their strategies; and in some of those red states, sadly, this will be the correct strategy, much as you and I might wish it were not. Changing position right now will damage them. Dems attacking them right now will damage them. We have to just take them as they are, warts and all, and cheer them to the rafters until election day.
I do think perhaps a lot more should be done between elections to get these people on the record supporting Obama and his causes, because it would then be more difficult for them to run away during campaigns, they would have to defend their position with the full-throated endorsements we would prefer to see.
And I think this will be less of an issue in 2016 when the Senate map is much friendlier to Dems.
But letâs save the post mortems for November 5th. For now, for everyone who wants more Dems elected, the message has to be: Front Towards Enemy; GOTV.
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I understand that quite well, but believe me, they are feeding into voter apathy on the Dem side, and they do not seem to be making much ground with the tactics they are using, because sad as it is, the media knows they use them for those gotcha moments. They are not going to get those far right votes anyway, and if they keep making Dem voters more apathetic, they will end up with another 2010.
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The idiot and moron sections of your comments do you absolutely no good, no matter your point. Your own words work against you.
That is my opinion.
There are much better ways to accomplish whatever your goal may be and come out with everyone smiling. Diplomacy I believe it is called.
Calling people idiots because you disagree is hardly progressive, in fact, itâs totally regressive.
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You see, this is the thing. I am and have always volunteered with my local Dem office, and I make endless calls, and I am just repeating what I am hearing from good Dems, who are so tired of seeing the other party support their loser Presidents like Bush, while ours runs from our President. I am trying hard to get Dems out to vote, but I would be disingenuous, if I did not report back first hand what I am hearing.
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Oh but it is just fine for him to call me the Dems worst enemy and a âunicorn progressiveâ huh? I got attacked first for saying what I am hearing way too many Dems I call as a volunteer for the Dems, to you know GOTV, and he attacked me, basically calling me a traitor and an enemy to my party. Sorry, but when I get called a traitor for things I did not say, then I fight back. How are the names he called me helping his argument?
Who among us believes that this is how Begich, Pryor and company really want to act?
They are doing what they have to do in their own state races. This isnât national just because it gets reported and commented on nationally.
When they win, will all the certain that they are going about this wrong, people, admit that they were wrong in more ways than one. Of course not.
I donât get how anyone thinks that a Mark Pryor could possibly campaign exactly the same as a Bernie Sanders or an Elizabeth Warren in Arkansas? They are practically worldâs apart.
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In some of these red states itâs not about attracting far right voters because the moderates are just as racist and angry as the far right. Itâs not about appealing to the other side, itâs about appealing to OUR side. Unfortunately, in some red states, our side is no better than theirâs. Grimes isnât trying to attract Republicans, sheâs trying to hold onto Democrats.
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Look, anyone who wants to attack me for what I said, which has been said by many long time Dem strategists also, but I wonder how many who would attack me have also spent the last several months volunteering their time with their local Dem office as I have to make calls to get other Dems energized, and have heard first hand from them their apathy to vote, because of how the Dems will not stand up for this President.
Time and time again this is what I am hearing, and they can placate the right wingers all they want by running from this President and what are supposed to be their policies also, but if all they do is succeed in making Dems sit at home, then they are gaining nothing. This works both ways, and with all of the voter suppression out there, which will keep many Dems in many states from being able to vote, we need all of the ones that can to get out there and vote, and right now, the apathy I am hearing is not good. So attack away for me just reporting what I am hearing first hand.
Iâm not sure what is going on between you two but itâs weird. wargreyom and sashamom are basically arguing the same argument and agree so why are you fighting? Strange.
Liked your post but racist or not, and I know theyâre racistâŚbut running against your party leader and not supporting him is always shooting yourself in the foot eventually. You come across as a coward, you lower your own value and hand the opponent a win. They are racist but you can still support the hated black guy which shows courage, stand up for Dem policies and show, tell voters about things that are of value and good for them. Play on human selfishness, racism or not, works every time. Why should Grimes not admit she voted for Obama because she is a true Democrat, and had no choice since Hillary asked her to support Obama. Thatâs all she had to say. I want Dems to win, but Dem politicians do need to grow a spine and stand up to the bullies, then weâll stand up for them. If you canât stand up for yourself who will?
Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders also represent deep blue states. If they, or someone with their views, tried running in Louisiana or even Pennsylvania, theyâd get crushed.
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More specifically, Democrats need to be the aggressors. They need to get their message out there first and loudest, instead of always letting the Republicans get the jump on defining the debate. Too often Democrats assume that the American public will be able to figure things out on their own.
Also, Democrats need to improve at being able to present their message in simple, clear, provocative soundbites. Say what you want about Republicans, but they are masters of this. It doesnât matter how âcorrectâ your message is if it doesnât capture the publicâs attention and keep it.
Even if Elizabeth Warren could win the primary, she would get crushed in the general election. Her views will not play well in Florida, Ohio, Iowa or other more moderate states that Democrats must win to get the presidency.
Democrats have had this problem going back long before Obama. They had it during the Bush years and even during the Clinton years (outside of Bill Clinton himself, of course).
And Obama has to take some of the blame for the media âbeing mistreated.â He has failed to understand that optics and perception often are reality. For example, even if medical evidence says that Ebola only spreads through contact with bodily fluids and not through air, the reality is that Americans are still scared sh*tless by it and they arenât going to easily understand medical evidence. The president, be it a Democrat or a Republican, Obama or Ted Cruz, needs to act like they understand the publicâs concerns and are working to deal with the problem.
Itâs this âlettingâ claim that pisses me off. Which bit of the MSM do you think is going to let the Dems define the debate, rather than shilling for the GOP as they always do?
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So you lowered yourself to his level or went with another wrong that you admit is wrong. That doesnât help you or your argument again.
If that is your thing, then that is your thing. I would hardly call it an attack though, thatâs a little dramatic donât you think?.
I reread the conversation again and I still feel the same. You went off on the guy with the idiot and moron slings and he called you nothing personally, he gave his opinion and said that your type of complaining is the Democrats worst enemy. You couldâve responded in all sorts of ways, but you 'attacked" back and much more intensely. If you can see wrong in his argument than surely you can see it in your own.
And for the record, I pretty much agree with his point and some of yours. My point youâve shown that you understand. I donât believe any of us are idiots or morons barring a few trolls that is.
You are going to be disagreed with from time to time, thatâs how it works.