Discussion: State Dept.: Gaza Death Toll 'Horrifying'

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What were you expecting from the Israel War machine?

Now they’re starting a ground offensive and bull-dozing housing for thousands of people after bombing (destroying) hundred of multi-family buildings.

Punishing the civilians of Gaza. Again.

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What’s interesting is the state department is finally acknowledging it.

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I know it 's a different administration but it’s hard for the US to take the high ground when 100,000 innocent Iraqis have been estimated to have been killed in collateral attacks during the US War in Iraq.

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It is absolutely not hard. All it would take is a little intellectual honesty and some intestinal fortitude. But the stance taken here shows not much of either. It makes the issue the 4 boys, not the barbarity of the Israeli project as a whole.

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Some intellectual honesty? Like the US government refusing to offer an official accounting of who’s being killed by drone strikes? Even though most human rights groups insist the US is underreporting the casualties from drone strikes, the government has acknowledged more than 2,500 dead in the last 5 years.

And yet you suggest the US can take the high road in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict with “a little intellectual honesty and some intestinal fortitude.” Can I hear the words you envision in this scenario, please? The drone death toll swamps that of the Israelis who are, at the very least, dealing with hostile borders, while the US runs up a kill total halfway around the world. What will this “intellectual honesty” sound like?

every death is too much at war, but just for perspective, perhaps Jen Psak wants to comment on Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan deaths?

Why do you assume I don’t think some intellectual honesty and intestinal fortitude wouldn’t serve the nation well on the drone issue as well?

It’s not a question of whether you think some intellectual honesty regarding drone policy would serve the nation. Of course, it would serve the nation. But what makes you think it’s about to happen? You wrote, “It’s absolutely not hard (to take the high ground). All it would take is a little intellectual honesty and some intestinal fortitude.” In other words, you believe the United States’ taking the high ground in discussions about Israel is “not hard” because all it has to do is something it has never ever done, something it seems completely and irrefutably unlikely and unwilling to ever do.

That’s all. Easy peesy!

I’m not looking to see Mr. Smith Goes to Washington. But really. You excuse our duplicity on the basis of our never having made honesty a habit? We can’t change that because we haven’t ever changed it before? Really?

Again, it’s not that we can’t. It’s that we are highly unlikely to. Not impossible. Just highly implausible.

Highly unlikely. Yes, absolutely. But not because it’s hard. It’s because of moral corruption and the dry rot that’s set in.